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Up next: 9s!

In this week’s episode, Katie talks to Rev. Andrew Bowles (he/him), a Certified Narrative Enneagram Teacher, professional member of the International Enneagram Association, ordained minister, and experienced healthcare chaplain. We talk about why 5s and 9s look so similar, what it really feels like to feel like your presence doesn’t matter, and we also get into the worldview of each type (which means that there’s a nugget of gold to be found in this episode for every number!)

Link to Hunter’s book: HERE

Link to Life in the Trinity ministry's website:  https://www.lifeinthetrinityministry.com/

Link to Andrew’s website: https://www.pathstopresence.com/about

Andrew's instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pathstopresence9/

Many of you know we have a handful of things going on both personally and here at ATC; this is all the fun stuff and hard stuff.

In this podcast we’ll be talking about everything from the end of one chapter to the opening of another.

You can see all our new Podcast feeds at Our Enneagram Channel : HERE

Quick Links:

• Saturday Online Workshops
• Free membership at AroundTheCircle.org
• Early Access podcast – Coming soon for the next-gen transitions
• Inside Story podcast – Kristin Messegee's interview series
• Scientific Enneagram – Danielle Fuller’s science + Enneagram series
• Start Here podcast (re-launching foundational series)

Jeff and TJ sit down with Kristin Messegee—an Enneagram Six coach and the host of Life Uninhibited—to announce her new narrative-style show, "Inside Story" joining the ATC family of podcasts.

We talk why real growth needs empathy, why stories teach better than diagrams, and how narrative Enneagram work helps us become emotional adults.

• Subscribe to Kristin's new Podcast : HERE

• Follow Kristin’s work: Coaching + Life Uninhibited – The Enneagram 6 Podcast. kristinmessegee.com+2kristinmessegee.com+2

• And if you want to get connected our best work, do sign up for a membership on Patreon .

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Enneagram and Gender Discussion : HERE

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Continuing her journey around the Enneagram, Katie talks to Meaghan, a freelance American Sign Language interpreter who loves traveling, new restaurants, and advocating for the deaf community.

We talk about the difference between anger and rage, how your childhood environment sticks with you, and get into some differences between 6 and 8.

Jeff sits back down with Enneagram coach Jackie Contessa to walk through mistyping between twos and threes through nines.

If this helps, check the full Mistyping Chart Jackie co-authored in the back of our book Around the Circle . Or find Jackie at @tablefornineco and jackieccesa.com.

Link to the upcoming EnneaSummit : HERE

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Jeff sits down with Tyler Zach to preview his upcoming Midlife Summit (Oct 21–24). They dig into why “midlife has a branding problem,” the U-curve of happiness, and how the second half can move us from productivity to fruitfulness. Tyler shares tear-worthy moments from the panels (don’t miss the Sevens), why 60 is still “midlife,” and what happens when elders step into being elders—sages who lend hard-won wisdom across generations.

In this episode:

• Midlife ≠ crisis: redefining the forties, fifties, and sixties as seasons of ascent
• “Rehiring,” not retiring: purpose, reinvention, and new risks later in life
• From skills to wisdom: becoming an elder instead of just getting older
• Integrating the three centers with age—and why that brings real joy
• Generational cycles (spring/summer/fall/winter) and what Gen Z can build next
• Stories of resilience through illness, loss, and the long cocoon

About the Summit:

The Midlife Summit runs Oct 21–24 and streams free for four days (with optional lifetime access at an early-bird price). Panels feature respected voices from the Narrative tradition, the Enneagram Institute, Personality Hacker, and more. Grab the link in the show notes to register and see the full lineup.

Early Access on iTunes: HERE

Early Access on Spotify: HERE

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Our inaugural Episode! In this discussion on Early Access, host Katie Whitlock sits down with her close friend Michael —an Ironman-in-training, soon-to-be husband, and a reluctant but curious student of the Enneagram.

Enneagram Two gets a fresh look. Jeff sits down with coach and creator Jackie Contessa to unpack why “the Helper” label misses the mark and how that shortcut fuels mistyping. They trace the real motives at play—pride, flattery, intrusion, hidden grief, and the drive to “etch a role” in others’ lives—and name how gendered expectations distort typing (why many women lean Two and many men avoid it). Jeff and Jackie contrast Twos with Ones: duty and betterment vs. relational payoff, resentment from suppressed anger vs. resentment from unmet exchanges. They also hit possessiveness, boundaries as relationship-keepers, external energy vs. inner world, and the Two-to-Eight stress move. If you’ve ever wondered, “Am I a Two—or just helpful?” this one gives you a sharper lens.

Like the Enneagram, our Generation--its technologies and events--shape how we see the world.

In this conversation with Katie Whitlock, we will be exploring the values and cultural markers of Gen X, Millennials, and Gen Z, weaving together films, music, shared culture, and the defining experiences that mark each era.

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In this episode, Jeff sits down with counselor Ben from Los Angeles for a live Enneagram mistyping session—could he be a principled One, a justice-driven Eight, or an analytical Five?

From his early years in LA to a career in corrections and counseling, Ben shares stories of resilience, accountability, and the ongoing work of channeling anger into growth.

Along the way, we highlight how Ones and Eights approach clarity, control, and problem-solving differently, giving listeners a front-row seat to the art of discerning type through real conversation.