In this episode Michelle and Ash have a fascinating chat about Ash's personal running story, with lots of tips for novice marathon and ultra runners, including:

- some insights into his training methods

- pacing a marathon, and getting the negative split right.

- what makes or breaks a marathon

- marathons vs ultras - different training approaches/different fuelling strategies

Michelle has also reviewed Ash's new book called What If? here

You can follow Ash on Instagram here