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The evangelical church spends a lot of time giving modesty messages to girls. But we hardly ever talk about vanity--even though the Bible condemns it. Could it be that in all our talk about modesty, we're inadvertently promoting vanity? And perhaps we can't call out vanity, because our messages to boys essentially enable vanity. Join Rebecca and Sheila as we hash this one out!

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• Why is Dannah Gresh calling 8-year-old bellies intoxicating?
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• The reel from Our Savior's Church
• The side-by-side plagiarized apology from Josh Howerton

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Ever heard people say, "The Bible is crystal clear" or "if you don't believe that, you don't believe the Bible?" Quite often people equate their interpretation of the Bible with the Bible itself--with bad results. Today Scott Coley joins us to talk about his new book Ministers of Propaganda, and to look at how many evangelical leaders have used logical fallacies to keep themselves at the top of the power hierarchy. Plus let's look at how to get back to the way of Jesus!

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What if the church hurt you terribly? Can you still heal? Today Ryan George joins us to talk about how his fundamentalist family covers up his father’s sexual abuse of others—and how Ryan eventually learned the truth and turned his father in. And then Ryan deconstructed so much of what he had been taught—and found the real Jesus. Join us as Ryan George talks about his book Hurt and Healed by the Church.

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What happens when your family gets sucked into fundamentalism, and your father insists on controlling your life, including who you will marry? You grow up under Christian patriarchy, and you experience serious emotional abuse. Today Cait West joins us to talk about her absolutely beautiful memoir Rift, about how and why she had to break free. Then Keith and I talk about why people are deconstructing, and why it’s so desperately important to listen to stories like Cait’s.

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• Our post on 8 things to know about deconstruction
• Our book The Great Sex Rescue 
• The Great Sex Rescue Toolkit to help people understand why certain teachings hurt people

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People who deconstruct are often accused of never believing in the first place, or of just wanting to sin. But those who deconstruct are often those who have been hurt the most by toxic teachings. Today Sarah McCammon joins us to talk about who are “ex-vangelicals”, and her own story of deconstruction. And then Keith and I talk about what it means to create a safe and just community that honors people’s fears, betrayals, and concerns.

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• Follow Sarah on Substack

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• Our book She Deserves Better
• The Great Sex Rescue Toolkit to help people understand why certain teachings hurt people
• Marg Mowczko's site analyzing the biblical passages pertaining to women
• The saga of Robert Morris’ abuse, from Dee at Wartburg Watch who broke the story 
• Larry Linn’s Twitter thread about righteousness 

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Why is a frequenty-used book in teen girls' Bible studies focusing on Satan and not Jesus?

A deep dive into the book Lies Young Women Believe by Nancy DeMoss Wolgemuth and Dannah Gresh. Let's see what is being taught to teen girls--and why it's so problematic. We can do better, church!

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• Our podcasts about the book Lies Women Believe: Part 1 and its treatment of abuse and Part 2 and its portrayal of God
• Our downloadable onesheet about Lies Women Believe
• Our book She Deserves Better 
• Our podcast going over the problems with how Dannah Gresh teaches about modesty
• Why do women support modesty messages? 
• Dannah Gresh's submission quiz

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• Follow her on Instagram and X, and find her podcast Bodies Behind the Bus

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 Every Father’s Day, there’s a rallying cry in many conservative evangelical spaces that men are losing out and fathers are under attack. Where’s the truth in this? And what are the problems with talking about marriage like this? Plus we rewrite Harrison Butker’s commencement speech!

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• Focus on the Family Broadcast, Finding the Hero in Your Husband (Part 1) 
• Harrison Butker Speech  and Transcript 
• Our Bare Marriage podcast on the idea that women talk too much (put forward by Focus on the Family under James Dobson)
• My post from last Father’s Day about framing your husband as the hero

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What if purity culture didn’t just steal sexual health from women, but stole it from men too? What does it mean for a man to have healthy sexuality? Today licensed counselor Sam Jolman joins us for The Sex Talk You Never Got.

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Pastor Joey Willis, Lead Pastor at New River Fellowship in Hudson Oaks, Texas.

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Evangelical conservatives too often portray masculinity as if men are supposed to be the “Alpha male”—aloof, emotionless, vying for control, and bullying. Today we look at how, even in nature, this concept of the Alpha Male has been overblown. And we present a better picture.

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• Let Men Be Men podcasts, and Let Men Be Dads
• Josh Howerton about Evangelical Honeymoons
• The Desiring God article where Greg Morse bemoans all the safe men
• The TED Talk from Frans de Waal about Alpha Males
• Rick Pidcock analyses the Stronger Men’s Conference with Mark Driscoll’s “Jezebel” outburst 
• This week’s article on turning the other cheek 

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Pastor Joey Willis, Lead Pastor at New River Fellowship in Hudson Oaks, Texas.

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Church is messy. Friendships are hard to find. Life in a fishbowl is awkward. But what if…it’s worth it? Such a great convo with Stephanie, Jessica, and Jenna about their new book Pastors’ Wives Tell All!

Whether you're a pastors' wife, or a female pastor yourself, living life in a fishbowl can be hard. We talk about parenting, marriage, and finding friends when you're in church ministry.

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