Today I speak to Dr Michelle and it is one of my favourite chats ever as a podcaster. To be able to go deeply into what it means to be a good girl, a good person, how we constantly betray and abandon ourselves for society, for others, for family, for friends, for jobs, for partners. I know that it has impacted how I treat myself and how I raise my daughter.

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• Joanne Helder - Producer
• Caleb Jacobs - Music
• Tash Todd-Williams, Word of Mouth Digital - Digital Strategic Partner

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