What happens when a Navy submarine veteran challenges everything the data center industry thinks it knows? You get a conversation that's equal parts uncomfortable and essential. Tony Grayson doesn't just question industry assumptions, he dismantles them with the precision of someone who's managed 14-megawatt floating data centers under conditions most of us can't imagine.

Key Insights: 

• Why veterans managing submarine IT infrastructure are the data center operators we desperately need but consistently overlook 

• The uncomfortable truth about SMR timelines and why most nuclear promises won't deliver until it's too late 

• How China's chip constraints forced innovation that outperformed OpenAI at a fraction of the cost and what that means for U.S. infrastructure 

• Why we don't have a power problem, we have a distribution problem (and why that changes everything) 

• The $300 billion distributed computing market that nobody's preparing for 

• Why constraint-driven innovation beats throwing money at problems every time 

• What happens when AI hardware cycles every 12 months but infrastructure planning spans decades

This isn't your typical industry conversation. Tony's background gives him permission to ask the audacious questions that make executives squirm: What's the actual ROI on massive AI campuses? Can we really manage 100,000 distributed sites? And why are we ignoring the workforce that's already proven they can handle complex technical systems under pressure?

By the end of this episode, you'll question whether the industry is building for the right future... or just the most expensive one.

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The energy conversation in data centers just got real. In this episode, we dive deep with Alison Krager Hahn from the Department of Energy and Rhea Williams from E3 Energy Partners on the hybrid strategies reshaping how we power digital infrastructure. From nuclear timelines that will surprise you to the natural gas bridges we need today, this conversation cuts through the noise to deliver the hard truths about America's power crisis.

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Eight weeks into Beyond the Megawatt, Mara and Val pause to reflect on what they've learned about starting a podcast, challenging industry norms, and amplifying voices that typically don't get heard. This honest conversation reveals the real motivations behind their platform and why non-traditional career paths might be exactly what the data center industry needs.

Key Insights:

• The shame of non-traditional paths - Why many successful professionals hide their unconventional routes into infrastructure and construction

• Breaking conference barriers - How arbitrary rules keep fresh voices off industry panels and what needs to change

• Strategic networking - Practical tips for making genuine connections at industry events instead of collecting business cards

• The power of preparation - Why women-focused networking events create stronger industry participation, not separation

• Redefining success metrics - Moving beyond traditional credentials to recognize diverse forms of expertise and intelligence

• Taking the show on the road - Upcoming live appearances and the mission to interview voices behind the scenes

This episode challenges listeners to examine their own assumptions about who belongs in mission-critical industries and whose perspectives deserve platforms. Mara and Val demonstrate that the most powerful conversations happen when you stop trying to be perfect and start being honest about the real challenges facing infrastructure professionals.

What's Next: Look for Beyond the Megawatt at upcoming industry events including WIMCO Tech Summit, YADA, Data Center World Power, and DCAC/Data Cloud, where they'll be conducting live interviews with the people actually building our digital infrastructure.

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Half of all data center talent will retire within the next decade. At the same time, we need to double our workforce to meet exploding infrastructure demand. This isn't just another workforce challenge—it's an existential threat to the mission-critical systems that power our digital economy.

Dr. Tracy Brown (Chief of Staff) and Lisa Stevens (Head of HR at CleanArc Data Centers) join Valerie Crafton to tackle the hard truths about talent development in mission-critical infrastructure. From the cultural disconnect veterans face transitioning to corporate environments to the performance review theater that wastes everyone's time, this conversation challenges every assumption about how we develop, manage, and retain human capital in high-stakes technical environments.

Key Insights

• The 10% Management Rule: Effective people development requires 10% of a manager's capacity for each direct report - but most organizations don't staff for this reality

• Military-to-Corporate Culture Shock: Veterans transition from environments where everyone flows in the same direction to corporate teams where people often compete against each other

• The Skills vs. Mindset Revolution: Interview for competencies first, skills second - the right mindset can learn the industry, but the wrong mindset cannot

• AI Amplifies What You Feed It: Organizations rushing to implement AI solutions are building on foundations of inconsistent, poorly organized data

• Performance Review Theater: Most performance management processes feel inauthentic and unproductive because they are - it's time to scrap the administrative burden and build something that actually develops people

• Professional Development as Survival: In a knowledge-driven industry facing massive talent shortages, making professional development mandatory isn't nice-to-have - it's competitive necessity

• The Human Factor Changes Everything: Technical excellence attracts talent, but human connection and purpose-driven work retains it

The conversation reveals why traditional talent strategies are failing and offers a roadmap for organizations ready to invest in sustainable workforce development. The choice is simple: evolve your people strategy now, or spend the next decade scrambling to keep the lights on.

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https://www.linkedin.com/in/drtcbrown/

https://drtre.com/

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https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisa-stevens-phr-2a581a29/

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What happens when you put three sustainability leaders in one room and ask them to call BS on industry practices? You get the most honest conversation about data center sustainability we've had yet.

Karen Cooper (DLR Group), Jenna Middaugh (Green Building Initiative), and Patricia Leyva (Equinix) didn't hold back. From fear-based pricing to parallel study failures, this episode tackles why sustainability initiatives keep getting blamed for project problems—and what to do about it.

Key Insights From This Episode:

• Sustainability should be code-required, not optional — No one argues about fire safety compliance because lives depend on it. Planetary resources deserve the same treatment.

• The "green premium" is often a fear premium — Unfamiliar methods get risk contingencies baked into bids. In markets where sustainable construction is normal, it's competitively priced.

• We're tracking the wrong data — Most projects blame sustainability for delays without running parallel estimates of what traditional methods would have cost under identical conditions.

• Culture beats checklists — Sustainable practices succeed when teams embrace efficiency optimization, not when they're forced to check environmental boxes.

• Small steps create big momentum — Perfect sustainability isn't the goal. Continuous improvement builds institutional knowledge and confidence across projects.

• Community pressure is making sustainability essential — Local governments are asking tough questions about water usage and energy consumption before approving new developments.

• The economics argument wins — When positioned as operational efficiency and resource optimization rather than environmental activism, sustainability finds broader support.

This conversation cuts through the corporate speak to address real challenges facing data center professionals who want to build better but need practical strategies that actually work.

Connect With Our Guests:

Karen Cooper - Architect, DLR Group

https://www.linkedin.com/in/krcoopdesigns/ 

Jenna Middaugh - COO, Green Building Initiative

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenna-middaugh-8a060137/ 

GBI's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/green-building-initiative/ 

Patricia Leyva - Sustainability Expert, Equinix

https://www.linkedin.com/in/paleyva

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Leadership in mission-critical industries isn't broken—it's being measured all wrong. This conversation with executive coach Lori Severson and leadership expert Andrea Janzen exposes the invisible barriers keeping transformational leaders stuck and offers a bold roadmap for change.

Key Revelations:

• Why women's leadership journey feels like "dying by a thousand cuts"—and how those small moments add up to systemic exclusion

• The missing metrics that keep our most effective leaders overlooked while rewarding outdated transactional behaviors

• How to handle "you're too aggressive" criticism in real-time without losing your authentic leadership style

• The authenticity antidote that turns perceived weaknesses into competitive advantages

• What leadership redesign looks like when you measure inspiration instead of intimidation

• The double bind that traps women between "too nice" and "too bossy"—and how to escape it

• Why younger professionals are rejecting traditional leadership roles (hint: it's the same reason women hesitate)

This isn't about fixing women to fit broken systems. It's about building leadership cultures that recognize and reward the skills our complex industry actually needs.

Guest Information:

Lori Severson - Executive coach and author with 20+ years in Fortune 500 leadership roles. Now focused on helping women rise through strategic coaching and consulting.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/loriseverson1/

Andrea Janzen - Founder of Ambition Theory, a leadership development company specializing in transformational leadership for construction and engineering professionals.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/andreajanzen/

https://ambitiontheory.com/

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What if the solution to the data center workforce crisis starts in kindergarten?

Dr. Sharon Jones, founder of the Dottie Rose Foundation, joins us for a conversation that challenges everything you think you know about AI education, workforce development, and the future of technical careers. From her unexpected journey from DJ dreams to computer science advocacy, Sharon reveals why "the power of the blend" - human creativity combined with AI capabilities - is the key to thriving in our rapidly evolving industry.

Key Insights:

• Start AI literacy early - Digital literacy conversations should begin in kindergarten, not college 

• Embrace human-AI collaboration - MIT research proves that human + AI teams outperform either working alone 

• Apply the TAM model - Technology adoption depends on perceived usefulness and ease of use 

• Implement just-in-time learning - 5-7 minute focused training sessions with immediate application 

• Support the education pipeline - The teacher shortage directly impacts our future workforce 

• Think frameworks, not rigid curricula - Flexibility and personalization are essential for effective learning 

• Education as the great equalizer - Exposure and opportunity bring humanity together

Dr. Sharon's passion for closing the gender gap in tech shines through as she shares practical strategies for building inclusive, AI-literate workforces. Whether you're leading a team, developing training programs, or wondering how to prepare for an AI-enhanced future, this conversation provides the roadmap.

Connect with Dr. Sharon Jones:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-sharon-torrence-jones-a9b264a6/

https://dottierosefoundation.org/

https://thedotconsulting.co/

Resources Mentioned in this Episode:

E2D (Eliminate the Digital Divide): https://www.e-2-d.org

Technology Acceptance Model (TAM) by Dr. Fred Davis

MIT-IBM Watson AI Lab research on human-AI collaboration

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Sometimes the most transformative technology comes from the most unexpected places. In this episode, we go below the surface—literally—to explore how hydro excavation is changing data center construction, winter operations, and workplace culture in ways that extend far beyond digging.

Kristy Black didn't start Black Hydrovac because she discovered a passion for construction equipment. She started it because she wanted to build teams of people who could think, solve problems, and grow in an industry that too often treats skilled workers as interchangeable parts. What emerged is a company that's revolutionizing both excavation safety and leadership culture.

From heated water systems that keep projects moving through frozen ground to spatial intelligence that makes machines extensions of operators' bodies, this conversation reveals how the right technology paired with people-first leadership creates competitive advantages that go far beyond any single tool or process.

Key Insights You'll Discover:

• Why "best guess" utility location creates massive risk in data center construction—and how precision excavation protects both workers and existing infrastructure

• The winter operations advantage that keeps projects moving when others shut down—using heated water systems to melt frozen ground and maintain year-round capability

• How to identify and develop spatial intelligence in technical roles—recognizing the natural talent that makes some operators exceptional with complex equipment

• The discipline of delegation that prevents endless process reinvention—why the best leaders document systems and trust teams to execute and improve them

• Building safety culture through mentorship accountability—making experienced workers responsible for training and protecting newer team members

• Environmental precision that serves both efficiency and stewardship—reducing soil disruption and runoff while maintaining operational excellence

• The vulnerability required for effective leadership—honestly assessing limitations and surrounding yourself with complementary strengths

This isn't just about construction technology—it's about what becomes possible when you combine smart tools with smarter people management, consistent processes with the flexibility to adapt, and the confidence to let talented people do what they do best.

Whether you're managing mission-critical infrastructure projects, developing technical teams, or building operational resilience, Kristy's insights on leadership, innovation, and human development offer lessons that extend far beyond any single industry.

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Kristy Black - https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristy-black-ab605538/

Black Hydrovac - https://blackhydrovac.com/

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What happens when AI meets data center infrastructure? Dan Molloy—known throughout the industry as "Fiber Dan"—brings decades of networking expertise and bold predictions about the future of mission-critical systems. From his early days discovering the internet in high school to his current role as a fiber infrastructure expert, Dan offers a unique perspective on how artificial intelligence will reshape everything from workforce training to blockchain applications in hyperscale environments.

Key Insights & Bold Takes

• AI isn't coming for technical jobs first—it's targeting middle management decision-making while making hands-on expertise more valuable than ever

• The knowledge transfer crisis is real—as Valerie noted, "We've got to change the way we share information" rather than keeping expertise locked away in NDAs and proprietary environments

• Fiber infrastructure demands are exploding as AI workloads require "giant hive minds" where everything communicates in real time

• Predictive analytics will connect seemingly unrelated data points—weather patterns, internet usage, and system failures in ways humans would never think to explore

• Blockchain applications in data centers focus on trust and accountability—imagine automatic SLA violation credits without disputes or delays

• Training through AI-powered simulation offers safer, scalable alternatives to learning on dangerous live power systems

• The sustainability tension between AI's massive energy demands and environmental goals requires innovative solutions, not compromise

Dan Molloy Bio & Connect

Dan Molloy, known as "Fiber Dan," brings over two decades of networking and infrastructure expertise to the data center industry. After discovering the early internet in high school and serving in the Air Force at Fort Meade, Dan navigated the dot-com boom and bust before finding his calling in mission-critical infrastructure. For the past nine years, he has become a recognized voice in fiber optics, AI integration, and the future of hyperscale operations.

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Website: FiberDan.com

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What happens when you combine decades of commissioning expertise with a vision for transforming how we develop the next generation of infrastructure talent? You get a conversation that challenges everything from when commissioning should start to how we can solve the workforce crisis while building better facilities.

Lillian Rivera and Jim McEnteggart are launching 21st Century Ops with a bold approach that flips traditional commissioning on its head. Instead of bringing operational expertise in at the end of projects, they're advocating for "operationally directed design" that considers the humans who'll operate these systems for the next 20 years. Their apprenticeship model doesn't just train people—it creates pathways for students to become the operators who truly understand the facilities they helped commission.

Key Insights:

• Early commissioning isn't optional anymore - Bringing commissioning agents in during design rather than construction prevents costly change orders and creates systems that actually work as intended, not just on paper

• Operationally directed design changes everything - Simple decisions like logical equipment naming and color-coded electrical rooms can eliminate entire categories of human error and make maintenance safer and more efficient

• The perfect training environment already exists - Commissioning phases offer hands-on learning with real equipment and real problems, but without the operational risk of live facilities where mistakes can be catastrophic

• AI workloads are breaking traditional infrastructure assumptions - Power loads that swing from 90% to 20% multiple times per minute are forcing the industry to rethink everything from equipment sizing to commissioning strategies

• Partnership beats procurement every time - When owners rebid every project to save upfront costs, they throw away institutional knowledge and force teams to relearn the same lessons repeatedly

• The college-or-nothing mentality is failing everyone - Students accumulate debt without direction while mission-critical industries struggle to find skilled talent, creating a lose-lose situation that apprenticeship programs can solve

The conversation gets real about human error in data centers, liquid cooling challenges, and why going back to 1960s water-cooled computing might be the future. Most importantly, it shows how innovative business models can solve workforce development challenges while building sustainable companies that create value for everyone involved.

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• Lillian Rivera - https://www.linkedin.com/in/lillian-rivera-4821a28/

• Jim McEnteggart - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mcenteggart/

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