We've been on hiatus over the summer here, so I've taken a look back at some of the older episodes from the podcast archives, while being on a bit of a hiatus from recording new episodes. New episodes will be coming again in September
<a href='https://www.leanblog.org/2009/01/leanblog-podcast-56-john-shook/'>Today we're looking back at the episode that I did with John Shook</a>.
It was Episode #56, released in January 2009.
I hope you enjoy our discussion -- I think it's just as relevant today as it was then even though his book <a href='https://amzn.to/2WdV8P9'>Managing to Learn</a> has been available for more than a decade (it was new when we did this episode).
I had a chance to talk with John a few months back and I'm hoping to do a new episode with him sometime soon.
The podcast is sponsored by <a href='https://leanexecs.com/podcast'>Stiles Associates</a>, now in their 30th year of business. They are the go-to Lean recruiting firm serving the manufacturing, private equity, and healthcare industries. <a href='https://leanexecs.com/podcast'>Learn more</a>. 
This podcast is part of <a href='http://leancommunicators.com/'>the #LeanCommunicators network</a>.

We've been on hiatus over the summer here, so I've taken a look back at some of the older episodes from the podcast archives, while being on a bit of a hiatus from recording new episodes. New episodes will be coming again in September Today we're looking back at the episode that I did with John Shook. It was Episode #56, released in January 2009. I hope you enjoy our discussion -- I think it's just as relevant today as it was then even though his book Managing to Learn has been available for more than a decade (it was new when we did this episode). I had a chance to talk with John a few months back and I'm hoping to do a new episode with him sometime soon. The podcast is sponsored by Stiles Associates, now in their 30th year of business. They are the go-to Lean recruiting firm serving the manufacturing, private equity, and healthcare industries. Learn more. This podcast is part of the #LeanCommunicators network.

We've been on hiatus over the summer here, so I've taken a look back at some of the older episodes from the podcast archives, while being on a bit of a hiatus from recording new episodes. New episodes will be coming again in September
<a href="https://www.leanblog.org/2009/01/leanblog-podcast-56-john-shook/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Today we're looking back at the episode that I did with John Shook</a>.
It was Episode #56, released in January 2009.
I hope you enjoy our discussion -- I think it's just as relevant today as it was then even though his book <a href="https://amzn.to/2WdV8P9" rel="noopener noreferrer">Managing to Learn</a> has been available for more than a decade (it was new when we did this episode).
I had a chance to talk with John a few months back and I'm hoping to do a new episode with him sometime soon.
The podcast is sponsored by <a href="https://leanexecs.com/podcast" rel="noopener noreferrer">Stiles Associates</a>, now in their 30th year of business.&nbsp;They are the go-to Lean recruiting firm serving the manufacturing, private equity, and healthcare industries.&nbsp;<a href="https://leanexecs.com/podcast" rel="noopener noreferrer">Learn more</a>. 
This podcast is part of <a href="http://leancommunicators.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">the #LeanCommunicators network</a>.&nbsp;
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Since 2006, the Lean Blog Interviews podcast has featured in-depth, candid conversations with leaders, thinkers, and doers in the world of Lean and continuous improvement. Hosted by Mark Graban—author, consultant, and longtime Lean practitioner—the show explores how Lean principles are being applied across industries, including healthcare, manufacturing, startups, and more. What sets this podcast apart? We go beyond tools and buzzwords. Our guests share real-world stories of success, struggle, learning, and leadership. Whether you’re a seasoned Lean veteran or just getting started, you’ll gain practical insights and fresh perspectives that you can take back to your own organization. Topics include: Lean as a management system and cultural transformation—not just a toolbox Continuous improvement and problem-solving, at every level Leadership behaviors that support real change Psychological safety as a foundation for improvement Lessons from the Toyota Production System, Lean Startup, and beyond Candid stories about mistakes—and what we learn from them We don’t talk much about “Lean Six Sigma” here. But if you believe improvement is about people first—this podcast is for you. Many episodes feature a special focus on Lean in healthcare, reflecting Mark’s deep work in that field. Hear from leaders working to improve patient safety, reduce waste, and build cultures of respect and learning. Find all episodes and show notes at www.LeanCast.org.Learn more about Mark and his work at www.LeanBlog.org.Questions or feedback? Email mark@leanblog.org

Since 2006, the Lean Blog Interviews podcast has featured in-depth, candid conversations with leaders, thinkers, and doers in the world of Lean and continuous improvement. Hosted by Mark Graban—author, consultant, and longtime Lean practitioner—the show explores how Lean principles are being applied across industries, including healthcare, manufacturing, startups, and more.
What sets this podcast apart? We go beyond tools and buzzwords. Our guests share real-world stories of success, struggle, learning, and leadership. Whether you’re a seasoned Lean veteran or just getting started, you’ll gain practical insights and fresh perspectives that you can take back to your own organization.
Topics include:
<ul>
<li>
Lean as a management system and cultural transformation—not just a toolbox
</li>
<li>
Continuous improvement and problem-solving, at every level
</li>
<li>
Leadership behaviors that support real change
</li>
<li>
Psychological safety as a foundation for improvement
</li>
<li>
Lessons from the Toyota Production System, Lean Startup, and beyond
</li>
<li>
Candid stories about mistakes—and what we learn from them
</li>
</ul>
We don’t talk much about “Lean Six Sigma” here. But if you believe improvement is about people first—this podcast is for you.
Many episodes feature a special focus on Lean in healthcare, reflecting Mark’s deep work in that field. Hear from leaders working to improve patient safety, reduce waste, and build cultures of respect and learning.
Find all episodes and show notes at <a href="https://www.leancast.org" rel="noopener noreferrer">www.LeanCast.org</a>. Learn more about Mark and his work at <a href="https://www.leanblog.org" rel="noopener noreferrer">www.LeanBlog.org</a>. Questions or feedback? Email <a rel="noopener noreferrer">mark@leanblog.org&nbsp;</a>

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