Life is an incredible journey full of paradoxical demands that can sometimes feel overwhelming. But what if we could embrace both sides of the equation and turn these tensions into opportunities for growth? This is exactly what our guest Marianne Lewis teaches us in the groundbreaking book Both/And Thinking: Embracing Creative Tensions to Solve Your Toughest Problems that she coauthored with her colleague, Wendy Smith.
Delving into the risks of either-or thinking and the vicious cycles that can arise, Marianne and cohost, Yael discuss how binary thinking affects our lives. Packed with tools and lessons that will help you see the world with fresh eyes, you’ll learn tips on how to reframe questions, embrace paradoxes, as well as navigate complex tensions. If you're interested in exploring new ways of thinking and solving tough problems, this episode is for you!  

Listen and Learn: 

Why do we have difficulty escaping "either/or" thinking, and what impact does it have?

Why is it important to understand and embrace paradoxes in order to move away from binary thinking?

Question framing with the word 'how'

Negotiating conflict in a constructive way

The ways in which identifying a higher purpose can lessen friction between opposing factions

A few tips for setting guardrails to help you do your job and all your roles more sustainably

The impact of shifting from a scarcity mindset into an abundance mindset

Tools for responding to tensions in a positive way


Resources: 

Learn more about Marianne: https://business.uc.edu/faculty-and-research/departments/management/faculty/marianne-lewis.html


Follow Marianne on Twitter @mariannewlewis

Order Both/And Thinking: Embracing Creative Tensions to Solve Your Toughest Problems at our bookshop: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9781647821043


A piece written by Yael that includes a quote from evolutionary psychologist on conflict: https://tricycle.org/article/working-parenthood-conflict/



About Marianne Lewis
Marianne W. Lewis is dean and professor of management at the College of Business, University of Cincinnati. She previously served as dean of the Business School at City, University of London. A thought leader in organizational paradoxes, she explores tensions surrounding leadership and innovation. Lewis has been recognized among the world’s most-cited researchers in her field and her work has appeared in media outlets, such as Harvard Business Review, Fast Company, and Newsweek. Her latest book Both/And Thinking: Embracing Creative Tensions to Solve Your Toughest Problems is co-authored with her colleague, Wendy Smith.

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303. Both/And Thinking with Marianne Lewis

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You may have heard whispers about EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) therapy, which has gained popularity for treating symptoms of trauma, anxiety, and depression. Although the eye movement component of EMDR is still not fully understood, it involves stimulating the brain through bilateral eye movements, sounds, or taps. Despite several studies finding no evidence that bilateral stimulation improves therapy, anecdotal evidence suggests that EMDR can be very effective in certain cases, and has been a real game changer for some. Here to chat with us and shed some light on this form of therapy, we are excited to have Jamie Marich, a leader in trauma recovery. Curious about EMDR therapy's transformative potential for healing trauma and mental health challenges? Tune in!
Listen and Learn:

The origin story of EMDR 

The skepticism around EMDR 

Are trauma and PTSD related? 

Distinguishing between "big T" traumas and "small t" traumas 

Why might talk therapy not work well for treating trauma and/or PTSD?

What are the phases of an EMDR session? 

Can EMDR be done through video therapy?

Resources:


Jamie’s website: https://jamiemarich.com/


Visit Redefine Therapy https://redefinetherapy.com/


EMDR Made Simple: 4 Approaches for Using EMDR with Every Client

EMDR Therapy & Mindfulness for Trauma-Focused Care

Connect with Jamie on social media: 

https://www.instagram.com/drjamiem/

https://www.facebook.com/drjamiemarich

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamiemarich/

About Jamie March
Dr. Jamie Marich (she/they) inspires people and systems to heal the wounds that keep them stuck, allowing for authentic transformation free of shame and stigma. A TEDx speaker, clinical trauma specialist, expressive artist, lay spiritual director, short filmmaker, Reiki master, yoga teacher, and recovery advocate, she unites all of these elements in her mission to redefine therapy. She is a woman in long-term recovery from an addictive disorder and lives with dissociative identities. As a queer woman who survived multiple spiritually abusive experiences in childhood and adulthood, Jamie is passionate about helping people to recognize where religion and spirituality may be causing harm in their lives so that they can chart a course for personalized healing.
Marich is the author of EMDR Made Simple: 4 Approaches for Using EMDR with Every Client (2011), Trauma and the 12 Steps: A Complete Guide for Recovery Enhancement (2012/2020), Creative Mindfulness (2013), Trauma Made Simple: Competencies in Assessment, Treatment, and Working with Survivors, Dancing Mindfulness: A Creative Path to Healing and Transformation (2015), EMDR Therapy & Mindfulness for Trauma-Focused Care (with Stephen Dansiger, 2018), Process Not Perfection: Expressive Arts Solutions for Trauma Recovery (2019), Healing Addiction with EMDR Therapy: A Trauma-Focused Guide (with Stephen Dansiger, 2022), The Healing Power of Jiu-Jitsu: A Guide to Transforming Trauma and Facilitating Recovery (with Anna Pirkl, 2022), Dissociation Made Simple: A Stigma-Free Guide to Embracing Your Dissociative Mind and Navigating Life (2023), and Trauma and the 12 Steps: The Workbook (with Stephen Dansiger, 2023). Her long-time publisher, North Atlantic Books, is releasing her memoir of spiritual abuse and recovery, You Lied to Me About God, in October 2024.
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Dementia is a complex topic that requires a delicate balance of understanding, compassion, and expertise. With the prevalence of dementia on the rise, healthcare providers, caregivers, and individuals themselves must have a solid grasp on how to navigate these challenging conditions. Our guest Brent Forester is an expert in geriatric psychiatry and dementia care, bringing almost three decades of experience supporting individuals with dementia and older adults facing mental health challenges. Discussing his co-authorship with Tom Harrison of "The Complete Family Guide to Dementia: Everything You Need to Know to Help Your Parent and Yourself", we hear about his proactive approach to caregiving and education for families and his journey into geriatric psychiatry. Through his insights into the nuances of dementia care, early diagnosis, treatment, the importance of distinguishing between various types of dementia, and grief in caregiving, Brent guides us in developing resilience and adapting to the emotional complexities of caring for a loved one with dementia.  

Listen and Learn: 

The admiration for his role model grandmother and fascination with problem-solving in medicine that influenced Brent's career in Geriatric psychiatry 

The process of diagnosing dementia and the benefits of early diagnosis

The difference between the clinical syndrome, which we call dementia, and the disease of dementia

What are the causes and symptoms of dementia? 

The multifaceted challenges dementia presents and the need for comprehensive healthcare approaches that consider these complexities

Goal setting and the importance of self-care for caregivers of people suffering from dementia 


Resources: 

More about Brent:

The Complete Family Guide to Dementia: Everything You Need to Know to Help Your Parent and Yourself


About Brent P. Forester
Brent P. Forester, MD, MSc. is the Dr. Frances S. Arkin Professor and Chair of Psychiatry at Tufts University School of Medicine, Psychiatrist in Chief and Chairman for the Department of Psychiatry at Tufts Medical Center and Director of Behavioral Health for Tufts Medicine. 

Dr. Forester spent a quarter of a century of his professional career at McLean Hospital and Mass General Brigham where he served as the Chief of the Division of Geriatric Psychiatry at McLean Hospital and Senior Medical Director for Value Based Care Solutions in the Population Health Management department at Mass General Brigham. Dr. Forester is an expert in geriatric psychiatry, specializing in the treatment of older adults with depression, bipolar disorder, and behavioral complications of Alzheimer’s disease and related dementias. He is a Past President of the American Association for Geriatric Psychiatry (AAGP), a distinguished fellow of the American Psychiatric Association, and has previously served on the board of directors of the Alzheimer’s Association of Massachusetts/New Hampshire and chair of their Medical Scientific Committee.

Dr. Forester’s research focuses on novel treatment approaches to manage the disabling behavioral complications of dementia, such as agitation and aggression. Dr. Forester’s work also includes the implementation and evaluation of collaborative care models for comprehensive dementia care within primary care medical settings

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354. A Family Guide to Dementia with Brent Forester

Ever think about how powerful asking questions can be? It's kinda mind-blowing when you think about all the insights, knowledge, and experiences we can tap into just by asking. So in this episode, we’ve got Jeff Welzer on board to talk about his book ASK: Tap Into the Hidden Wisdom of People Around You for Unexpected Breakthroughs in Leadership and Life. Jeff enlightens us on how asking thoughtful and well-crafted questions that seek to learn can unlock a treasure trove of wisdom, ideas, and deep understanding. And it can even help you achieve your goals in both your personal and professional lives! You have to check out this awesome chat! Trust us, it's packed with gems that'll shift how you connect with others and enable you to grow as a person!

Listen and Learn: 

Are you missing out on valuable insights and hidden wisdom by not asking questions?

How asking well-crafted questions can help you achieve your goals and benefit you both in your personal and professional lives

Why do we withhold information? 

Tips to navigate speaking up when you might fear the reaction you could get

How Jeff’s ASK Approach can help you tap into other people's knowledge, thoughts, wisdom, and ideas

Ways you can make it safer for someone to open up more 

Transforming crummy questions into quality questions that promote meaningful discussion and insight

How you can get better at listening to learn

How can we pass the skillset of curiosity onto our kids 


Resources: 

Jeff’s website: https://www.askapproach.com/


https://transcendeducation.org/


ASK: Tap Into the Hidden Wisdom of People Around You for Unexpected Breakthroughs in Leadership and Life: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9780306832697



Radical Candor: Be a Kick-Ass Boss Without Losing Your Humanity: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9781250235374



About Jeff Wetzler 
JEFF WETZLER is co-CEO of Transcend, a nationally recognized innovation organization, and an expert in learning and human potential. Wetzler combines unique leadership experiences spanning more than 25 years in business and education, as a management consultant to the world’s top corporations, a learning facilitator for leaders around the world, and as Chief Learning Officer at Teach For America. Jeff earned a Doctorate in Adult Learning and Leadership from Columbia University and a bachelor’s in psychology from Brown University. Based in New York, he is a member of the Aspen Global Leadership Network and is an Edmund Hillary Fellow.
https://www.askapproach.com/
Book: ASK: Tap Into the Hidden Wisdom of People Around You for Unexpected Breakthroughs in Leadership and Life 

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353. Ask Great Questions with Jeff Wetzler

Our 20s are a time of great change and transformation. But many people overlook this and label them "snowflakes" for not having certain things, like partners, houses, mortgages, big jobs, or kids. The truth is that trying to achieve all those milestones at once without any guarantee of success can leave us feeling insecure and stressed. For this episode, we bring you guest, Meg Jay, a clinical psychologist who joins us to chat about her new book, The Twentysomething Treatment: A Revolutionary Remedy for an Uncertain Age. Her insights are valuable for anyone in their twenties, about to enter their twenties, or even in their early thirties. Even If you are a parent with young adult children or a therapist who works with young adults, her book offers a solid foundation to help you understand the experiences of individuals at this developmental stage.
Listen and Learn: 

Are we being too hard on twenty-somethings? 

What do evolution and science tell us about the role of uncertainty for humans?

The impact of technology, particularly the internet and social media, on the difficulties faced by individuals in their twenties

Is medication always the best medicine? 

Your default mode network and your task-positive network 

Why your twenties may not be the best years of your life (and why that's okay!!)

Is work the leading cause of stress and anxiety in 20-somethings?

Finding your purpose as a 20-something 

Resources:

Meg’s website: https://megjay.com/



The Twentysomething Treatment: A Revolutionary Remedy for an Uncertain Age: https://bookshop.org/a/30734/9781668012291


Connect with Meg on social media: 

https://www.threads.net/@drmegjay

https://twitter.com/drmegjay

https://www.tiktok.com/@drmegjay

https://www.linkedin.com/in/meg-jay-phd/

https://www.instagram.com/drmegjay/


About Meg Jay
Meg Jay, PhD, is a developmental clinical psychologist who specializes in twentysomethings. She is the author of The Twentysomething Treatment: A Revolutionary Remedy for an Uncertain Age, Supernormal: The Secret World of the Family Hero and the cult classic The Defining Decade: Why Your Twenties Matter and How to Make the Most of Them Now. Her books have been translated into more than a dozen languages and her work has appeared in the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Harvard Business Review and on NPR, BBC and—maybe most important for her audience—TikTok.  

A recent New York Times profile called Dr. Jay “the patron saint of striving youth, a prophet-like figure for a generation of young people buried under mixed messaging,” and her TED talk “Why 30 Is Not the New 20” is among the most watched to date.  Dr. Jay earned a doctorate in clinical psychology, and in gender studies, from the University of California, Berkeley. She is on faculty at the University of Virginia and maintains a private practice in Charlottesville. 
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352. Twentysomethings with Meg Jay

As humans, we face this dilemma of wanting to live life to the fullest, but also taking everything for granted, including time. We often only realize the importance of time when we have little time left. Don’t let that be you! In an episode with Jodi Wellman, we dive into her phenomenal book, You Only Die Once: How to Make It to the End with No Regrets. We have about 4,000 Mondays in our lifetime, and if we're halfway through, we have roughly 2,000 to go. The good news is that you are in charge of how you spend those days. Drawing upon principles of positive psychology, practical tips, and research-backed data, Jodi's book will provide you with a fresh perspective and renewed appreciation for life!
Listen and Learn: 

The impetus that made Jodi aware of her deep-seated fear of dying with regrets and inspired her book, You Only Die Once 


Why do we only realize the importance of time when we have little left?

How the Grim Reaper is a prominent character in Jodi’s book and message 

Regrets of commission vs regrets of omission 

What is death reflection?

Ideas for gaining vitality in your life 

Finding meaning in life 

The value in pre-savoring and savoring the things that bring you joy in life  


Resources:


Visit Jodi’s website: https://fourthousandmondays.com/


You Only Die Once: How to Make It to the End with No Regrets

Connect with Jodi on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/fourthousandmondays/


Connect with Jodi on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fourthousandmondays/


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About Jodi Wellman
Jodi Wellman is a former corporate executive turned executive coach. She has a Master’s in Applied Positive Psychology from the University of Pennsylvania, where she is an instructor in the Master’s program and a trainer in the world-renowned Penn Resilience Program. She is a Professional Certified Coach with the ICF and a Certified Professional Co-Active Coach from CTI. She has coached and spoken with clients like American Express, Fidelity, pwc, Royal Bank of Canada, BMW, and more, and runs her own business, Four Thousand Mondays. She lives between Palm Springs and Chicago with her husband and cat, Andy. You can watch her inspirational TEDx Talk on how death can bring you back to life.

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303. Both/And Thinking with Marianne Lewis

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