Welcome to the episode that might change your life (or at least your bedtime routine).

Bryan Johnson made bank building Braintree Venmo. Then he walked away from it all to spend $2M a year turning his body into a science experiment. Now? He says he’s the healthiest human alive, and he’s got the organ scans to prove it.

Hosts Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni get deep with Bryan about biohacking, founder burnout, the dirty truth about our food system, and why optimizing your sleep might be the most rebellious thing you can do as an entrepreneur.

This convo gets real: blood transfusions, lonely sleep routines, and "sugar face" real.

Timestamps

00:00 Can we be the first generation that doesn’t die?
04:12 Selling Braintree Venmo + redefining success
08:05 Spending $2M/year on health
10:52 The #1 fix for burnout (it’s free)
14:30 Bryan’s exact food + supplement routine
17:15 Should founders ever sacrifice sleep?
22:00 The science behind alcohol, caffeine, and your trash sleep
26:40 Sleeping alone, no phones, and other hot takes
30:45 Sunlight, seed oils & the truth about sugar face
34:20 How to stay healthy without becoming obsessive

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The Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders, Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to share the real stories, lessons, and mindsets that define your 20s.

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