Rachel Zoe breaks down how to build a standout career in fashion before you feel ready. You’ll also learn her practical frameworks for getting dressed with less stress and more impact... 

Rachel Zoe is a celebrity stylist, fashion entrepreneur, and pop-culture icon known for shaping red-carpet style and building a major lifestyle brand. She shares the behind-the-scenes realities of creative work, ambition, and reinvention. 

Chapters

00:00 Intro + the pressure of “no margin for error” 

00:12 The Tommy Hilfiger break that changed everything 

04:12 Huge shoots and learning on the job 

05:12 The realities of styling high-profile clients 

07:07 Styling for *them*, not for you 

10:14 Psychology of styling 

13:21 The “uniform” method 

15:54 Top fashion essentials for all women 

18:24 Dressing for the job you want 

20:32 Photographic memory + how Rachel thinks visually 

22:43 Breaking into fashion today 

26:49 Relationship advice 

33:57 Work-life balance 

35:07 Why she joined Real Housewives 

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The Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, athletes, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to reveal the real stories behind ambitious careers. 

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Sahil Bloom had everything society tells you to want: Stanford degree, private equity job, money, status — but he was miserable. Drinking seven nights a week. 40 pounds overweight. Seeing his parents once a year. 

In this episode, Sahil breaks down the moment that changed everything: a friend calculating he’d only see his parents 15 more times before they died. Within 45 days, he quit his high-paying job, sold his house, and moved across the country to redesign his life around what actually mattered. 

Now the New York Times bestselling author of The 5 Types of Wealth, Sahil shares why money only buys happiness up to a point, how to build real wealth beyond just finances, and why “nobody is thinking about you” might be the most freeing advice for your 20s. We talk about quitting safely, replacing your salary with side hustles, AI as the biggest mispriced opportunity right now, finding a mentor (yes, including Tim Cook), building leverage through content, and how to design a life you won’t regret. 

If you’ve ever felt successful on paper but empty in real life, this episode is for you. 

Chapters

00:00 The Life That Looked Perfect (But Wasn’t) 

02:40 Private Equity, Status & Silent Burnout 

05:55 The “15 Times Left” Wake-Up Call 

09:30 Quitting a High-Paying Job in 45 Days 

13:15 Redefining Wealth Beyond Money 

17:05 The 5 Types of Wealth Explained 

21:20 Measuring Yourself on the Wrong Scoreboard 

25:10 Does Money Actually Buy Happiness? 

29:00 Replacing Your Salary Before You Quit 

33:10 AI as the Biggest Mispriced Opportunity 

37:00 How to Find (and Earn) a Great Mentor 

41:10 “Nobody Is Thinking About You” & Designing Your Life 

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The Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, athletes, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to reveal the real stories behind ambitious careers. 

Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more. 

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Rebecca Minkoff built a global fashion brand from a $3.25/hour internship, a scrappy “I ❤️ NY” tee after 9/11, and one breakout bag that women literally stopped her on the street to ask about. With no connections and no safety net, she moved to New York at 18, figured it out in real time, and turned hustle into a multi-million-dollar brand worn by celebrities and carried everywhere. 

In this episode, Rebecca walks through the real story behind the “Morning After” bag, what it was like losing 70% of revenue overnight during COVID, and why most founders should think twice before raising venture capital. She shares hard-earned lessons on hiring and firing, betting on yourself, building a brand in the age of social media, and navigating fame through Real Housewives. 

If you’ve ever wanted to start something from scratch, pivot when everything falls apart, or build a brand that lasts longer than trends — this episode is your blueprint. 

Chapters

00:00 From No Connections to Fashion Icon 

00:18 Moving to NYC With $3.25/Hour 

01:19 Intern to Founder, Starting Her Own Line 

02:00 I ❤️ NY Shirt Breakthrough 

03:17 Betting It All on Bags 

05:43 Going All In, Quitting Styling for Good 

06:11 Networking Like Cash 

09:29 Building a Brand in 2025 vs. 2005 

10:17 Hiring, Firing & Learning to Let Go 

19:52 COVID, 70% Revenue Drop & Rebuilding the Business 

31:15 Real Housewives, Brand Impact & Mental Toll 

35:04 NFL, Amazon & Building Strategic Partnerships 

36:55 What’s Next 

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About The Burnouts

The Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, athletes, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to reveal the real stories behind ambitious careers. 

Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more. 

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Luis Von Ahn details the story behind Duolingo and its famous owl, how to do handle marketing in the TikTok era, hiring young talent, and using addictive habits for good.

Chapters 

00:00:00 Intro & The Owl 

00:02:35 Unhinged Marketing 

00:06:09 TikTok Era 

00:08:06 Owl As the Face + Approving Risky Posts 

00:10:31 Hiring New Grads and “No Assholes” 

00:14:29 Making Learning Feel Delightful 

00:16:57 Addictive Habit Loops 

00:18:38 Expanding Beyond Languages 

00:19:26 Guatemala Roots + Free Education Mission 

00:23:40 AI 

00:31:00 Impact 

00:36:58 What's Next for Duolingo? 

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About The Burnouts The Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, athletes, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to reveal the real stories behind ambitious careers. 

Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more. 

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Phoebe and Sophia detail the best lessons they have learned from the career playbooks of the most successful people in the world, from how to leverage relationships in your career to what makeup to wear. The Burnouts celebrate hitting 200,000 subscribers, and launching Phia, which has already reached one million users and raised a $35 million Series A. Thank you for watching, for subscribing, and for being part of this journey with us.

Chapters

00:00 - Intro 

00:50 - Leveraging Relationships in Negotiating 

03:12 - Screen for Niceness 

05:10 - Office Culture 

06:30 - What Makeup to Wear? 

10:40 - Routines & Uniforms 

12:06 - Future Self 

12:46 - Top Goals for 2026 

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About The Burnouts

The Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, athletes, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to reveal the real stories behind ambitious careers. Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more. Subscribe for the insider playbook to build your dream career.

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Codie Sanchez breaks down why chasing fame is a losing game—and why real wealth is often built quietly through “boring” businesses most people overlook. Drawing on her background in institutional finance and small-business acquisitions, Codie explains how she spots unfair opportunities, why she exited industries like cannabis despite strong returns, and which unsexy sectors can consistently generate cash today.

The conversation dives into college versus trade school, the true value of elite networks, and how parental expectations can hold young people back from building the life they actually want. Codie shares practical advice on making more money early in your career—finding your unfair advantage, helping your boss win, stacking skills, and learning to negotiate by understanding how value is really created inside a business.

They also cover sales, mentorship, investing basics, and how to start learning deals without taking reckless risks. Codie closes with a candid take on investing in your health, appearance, and resilience—arguing that winning often comes down to doing hard things early and playing the game as it actually exists, not how we wish it worked.

Chapters 

0:00 Rich vs Famous 

3:17 Overlooked Businesses & Early Investing 

9:42 Why Boring Businesses Win 

17:11 College, Trade School & Social Capital 

26:08 Parents, Pressure & Choosing Advice 

34:19 How to Make More Money Early 

42:07 Sales, Skills & Standing Out at Work 

50:23 Investing Basics & Learning Deals 

57:41 Health, Appearance & Playing to Win 

1:03:18 Final Thoughts & Wrap-Up 

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About The Burnouts 

The Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, athletes, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to reveal the real stories behind ambitious careers. Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more. Subscribe for the insider playbook to build your dream career.

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He started a podcast in his bedroom before most people land their first job.

Now, Harry Stebbings runs one of the most influential platforms in venture capital and manages a $400M fund.

In this episode of The Burnouts, Harry sits down with Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni to unpack what actually drives success — and why so many smart, ambitious people stay stuck. From dropping out of law school to building leverage through content, Harry shares the lessons he learned the hard way about confidence, decision-making, and playing the long game.

This conversation goes far beyond startups and investing. Harry opens up about the confidence gap holding people back, why men bluff and women wait, and how likeability, storytelling, and persistence often matter more than raw intelligence. He explains how content became one of the most powerful tools in his career, why distribution now shapes opportunity, and how relationships — not resumes — drive the biggest decisions.

Harry also reflects on regret, missed deals, mentorship, and the uncomfortable truth that success often comes from taking action before you feel ready. Whether you’re early in your career, thinking about building something of your own, or just feeling behind, this episode offers a rare, honest look at what actually works.

Chapters
00:00 – The Reality of Entrepreneurship
00:40 – From The Social Network to Dropping Out of Law School
01:55 – Building a Fund Through Media & Network Effects
02:31 – Why Venture Capital Over Being a Founder
03:38 – Co-Founders, Breakups & Hard Personal Lessons
07:18 – What Actually Makes a Great Founder
08:55 – Gender, Confidence & Entrepreneurship
14:23 – Mentorship vs Coaching & How to Get Access
16:40 – Content as a Distribution Weapon
23:29 – Finding Your First True Fans
25:18 – Building & Managing High-Performance Teams
29:22 – Investment Mistakes & Missed Billion-Dollar Deals
31:35 – Vulnerability, Trust & People Skills
36:05 – WhatsApp, Fundraising & Relationship Scaling
37:30 – Trust, Endurance & Outworking Everyone
40:00 – Storytelling, Creativity & the Risk of AI
44:16 – Being a Great Investor When Things Go Wrong
45:02 – Final Advice: Take the First Step

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One day, she was racing Daytona. The next, she was shooting for Victoria’s Secret.

NASCAR driver, model, and trailblazer Toni Breidinger is living two worlds, and paying the price to stay in both.

In this episode of The Burnouts, Toni sits down with Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni to reveal the brutal, behind-the-scenes reality of motorsports. She opens up about being told she needed $1–2 million just to race, moving across the country at 18 with no funding, and surviving by doing Instacart by day and cold emails by night.

Toni breaks down why talent isn’t enough in NASCAR, how social media literally saved her career, and what it’s like being the only woman racing NASCAR full-time—from unequal pay to brand sponsorship politics. She also shares how she navigates modeling in a male-dominated sport, why she turned down six-figure OnlyFans offers, and how she built a sustainable career when every race depends on sponsorship dollars.

Whether you’re chasing a nontraditional career, building a personal brand, or betting on yourself when the odds feel stacked against you, this episode is packed with raw honesty, hard lessons, and real strategy.

Chapters

00:00 – unequal pay & being the only woman in nascar

03:00 – starting racing at age 9

06:30 – realizing racing costs millions

09:00 – told she needed $1–2 million to compete

11:00 – moving cross-country at 18

13:00 – instacart by day, cold emails by night

16:00 – how social media saved her career

20:00 – brand deals, sponsorships & unequal pay

25:00 – modeling, victoria’s secret & sports illustrated

30:00 – turning down six-figure onlyfans offers

36:00 – funding races & surviving motorsports

48:00 – what’s next: the road to the cup series

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The Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, athletes, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond the headlines to reveal the real stories behind ambitious careers.

Past guests include Paris Hilton, Chelsea Handler, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and more.

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He arrived in New York with $100, slept in parks, showered at the YMCA — and went on to invent the tube top, dress Studio 54, and build a billion-dollar fashion empire.

In this episode of The Burnouts, fashion icon Elie Tahari joins Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni alongside his son and CEO Jeremey Tahari for a rare, multi-generational conversation about survival, ambition, taste, and legacy.

Elie walks through his unbelievable journey: immigrating to New York alone, working as an electrician by day and selling clothes by night, sneaking into a fashion show through a back door, and accidentally creating one of the most iconic garments of the 1970s. From disco dresses to power suits, he explains how watching women on New York streets — not runways — taught him how to anticipate what they’d want next.

Jeremey opens up about growing up inside the business, stepping out of his father’s shadow, and eventually taking over as CEO — while expanding the company into real estate, licensing, and global scale. Together, they unpack what it really looks like to work with family, disagree on taste, hand over control, and build something meant to last 50+ years.

This episode is about the American dream in its rawest form — luck, hustle, intuition, ego checks, and building success with heart. If you’re building from scratch, navigating family dynamics at work, or trying to define success on your own terms, this one’s required listening.

Chapters

00:00 – Arriving in NYC with $100
01:00 – Sleeping in parks & finding community
03:00 – From electrician to fashion hustle
04:30 – Inventing the tube top
06:30 – Sneaking into a fashion show & landing 250K orders
08:30 – Studio 54, disco & early fashion moments
11:00 – Dressing women entering the workforce
13:00 – Building a fashion empire
15:00 – Real estate, licensing & vertical integration
17:00 – Father–son dynamics in business
19:30 – Taking over as CEO
22:00 – Disagreeing on taste & generational shifts
25:00 – Persian culture, fashion & femininity
27:30 – Leadership, hiring & humility
30:00 – Legacy, luck & advice for the burnouts

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The Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond headlines to explore the real stories, breakdowns, and breakthroughs that define your 20s.

Past guests include Paris Hilton, Tommy Hilfiger, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and other entrepreneurs redefining our generation.

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Allison Ellsworth went from oil & gas spreadsheets to building Poppi, the prebiotic soda that broke the internet, rewrote the rules on “healthy soda,” and sold to PepsiCo in a multibillion-dollar deal.

In this episode of The Burnouts, Allison joins Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni to share how a DIY apple-cider-vinegar tonic from her Texas kitchen turned into the soda of the next generation. She walks through the whole arc: farmers’ markets, Whole Foods, Shark Tank while nine months pregnant, a risky rebrand, and the TikTok storytime that quietly did $100K on Amazon overnight.

Allison also gets brutally honest about working with her husband, hiring too slowly while growth rockets, and what happens to your identity when you suddenly have both a Super Bowl ad and an exit. She shares the unglamorous side of lawsuits, burnout, mom guilt, and figuring out “what’s next” when you technically never have to work again.

If you’re building a consumer brand, obsessing over content, or just trying to stay ambitious without completely frying your nervous system, this episode is a masterclass in playing the long game — and still having fun.

Chapters
00:00 – From Texas kid to unexpected founder
02:00 – ACV shots, health issues & the Poppi spark
04:30 – Farmers’ market hustle → Whole Foods breakthrough
06:30 – Shark Tank at 9 months pregnant
08:30 – The risky rebrand: Mother Beverage → Poppi
11:00 – Launching Poppi during COVID
13:00 – TikTok virality & selling out overnight
16:00 – Creator-first marketing & celebrity fans
19:00 – Flavor wins, flavor fails & building a real soda
22:00 – Working with your husband (and being wrong sometimes)
24:30 – Sugar, lawsuits & building in CPG
27:00 – Inside the PepsiCo acquisition
30:00 – Life after the exit & what’s next for Allison

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The Burnouts brings you raw, unfiltered conversations with today’s top founders, creators, and culture-shaping entrepreneurs. Hosted by Stanford roommates turned startup co-founders Phoebe Gates and Sophia Kianni, the show goes beyond headlines to explore the real stories, breakdowns, and breakthroughs that define your 20s.

Past guests include Paris Hilton, Tommy Hilfiger, Kris Jenner, Karlie Kloss, and other entrepreneurs redefining our generation.

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