Chasing Heroine: Addiction Recovery and Sobriety

Narcan Nate is back!

Narcan Nate was the show co-host for a several years until he moved to TN eighteen months ago. We catch up with what he's been up to since he moved and what his goals are for the community with respect to recovery and harm reduction.

Jeannine also shares another bizarre celebrity encounter from her days in LA, and they talk about her upcoming trip to NYC for Dopeycon!

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Jan spent years chasing a good time without much of a direction for his life. Acid, ecstasy, whippets and heavy drinking eventually became multiple DUIs and a growing realization that the life he was living wasn’t sustainable. He moved around, tried to stop, started again, and eventually spent two years using meth before everything finally came crashing down.

On June 20, 2016, Jan went to treatment in Canada. He has not used drugs or alcohol since.

After getting sober, Jan moved to San Diego and began building the kind of life he never really had a roadmap for. Today, he works as a clinician and program manager at a treatment center, where he helps men work through addiction, find direction and start creating lives they actually want to live.

In this conversation, Jan talks openly about what finally brought him to his knees, what changed once he stopped running, and the spiritual practices that have become an important part of his recovery. He also shares some of the ways he works with men in treatment and the lessons he has learned from watching people rebuild their lives from the ground up.

Today's episode is brought to you by Sacred Journey Recovery in San Diego, CA. ⁠⁠Sacred Journey⁠⁠ is a mens only treatment center that blends modern clinical care with immersive outdoor therapy for men facing addiction. Each part of treatment is structured, supervised, and tied to a clear clinical goal, then reinforced through real-life application.

Experiential & Outdoor Adventure Therapy:

Climbing, hiking, jiu-jitsu, archery, yoga, and other structured challenges help men build confidence, discipline, and follow-through.

Evidenced Based Counseling:

CBT, ACT, DBT, and narrative therapy help men work through cravings, stress, trauma, and emotional regulation.

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Men-only treatment creates a stronger environment for honesty, accountability, and real connection.

Sacred Journey accepts most insurance and will work with you or your loved one.

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TW: suicidal ideation, violence, homicide, overdose

PART TWO: On the night of June 11, 2009, Joanne Witt was murdered by her teenage daughter Tylar and Tylar's boyfriend Steven "Boston" Colver, one or both of whom stabbed Witt 20 times on the upper half of her body. I sat down with Tylar (Charlie Wolf), to hear the story in her words. We talk about her childhood, meeting her boyfriend, Steve, the escalation of that romance and how it began to clash with the escalation of her mother's alcoholism.

Charlie was sentenced to 15 years to life and Steven is currently serving life without parole. Charlie was released on parole in 2023. After her release, she remarried but her husband tragically overdosed on fentanyl last year. Charlie goes through her whole story, no holds barred, detailing her relationship and rationale behind her decision to murder her mother. We discuss life in prison and ultimately how she came to terms with what happened, her role in what happened and her journey of rehabiltation in prison.

Today's episode is brought to you by Sacred Journey Recovery in San Diego, CA. ⁠Sacred Journey⁠ is a mens only treatment center that blends modern clinical care with immersive outdoor therapy for men facing addiction. Each part of treatment is structured, supervised, and tied to a clear clinical goal, then reinforced through real-life application.

Experiential & Outdoor Adventure Therapy:

Climbing, hiking, jiu-jitsu, archery, yoga, and other structured challenges help men build confidence, discipline, and follow-through.

Evidenced Based Counseling:

CBT, ACT, DBT, and narrative therapy help men work through cravings, stress, trauma, and emotional regulation.

Peer Support & Brotherhood:

Men-only treatment creates a stronger environment for honesty, accountability, and real connection.

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TW: suicidal ideation, violence, homicide

PART ONE: On the night of June 11, 2009, Joanne Witt was murdered by her teenage daughter Tylar and Tylar's boyfriend Steven "Boston" Colver, one or both of whom stabbed Witt 20 times on the upper half of her body. I sat down with Tylar (Charlie Wolf), to hear the story in her words. We talk about her childhood, meeting her boyfriend, Steve, the escalation of that romance and how it began to clash with the escalation of her mother's alcoholism.

Charlie was sentenced to 15 years to life and Steven is currently serving life without parole. Charlie was released on parole in 2023. After her release, she remarried but her husband tragically overdosed on fentanyl last year. Charlie goes through her whole story, no holds barred, detailing her relationship and rationale behind her decision to murder her mother. We discuss life in prison and ultimately how she came to terms with what happened, her role in what happened and her journey of rehabiltation in prison.

Today's episode is brought to you by Sacred Journey Recovery in San Diego, CA. Sacred Journey is a mens only treatment center that blends modern clinical care with immersive outdoor therapy for men facing addiction. Each part of treatment is structured, supervised, and tied to a clear clinical goal, then reinforced through real-life application.

Experiential & Outdoor Adventure Therapy:

Climbing, hiking, jiu-jitsu, archery, yoga, and other structured challenges help men build confidence, discipline, and follow-through.

Evidenced Based Counseling:

CBT, ACT, DBT, and narrative therapy help men work through cravings, stress, trauma, and emotional regulation.

Peer Support & Brotherhood:

Men-only treatment creates a stronger environment for honesty, accountability, and real connection.

Sacred Journey accepts most insurance and will work with you or your loved one.

Call 760-214-9727 for a more information or a confidential assesment.

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What actually makes addiction treatment work?

In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Tiffany Towers, Clinical Director at Seasons in Malibu, to go behind the scenes of what it takes to create and maintain a truly high-quality treatment program. We talk about how Seasons builds an incredibly varied team of clinicians, why different perspectives matter, and how they decide which therapeutic modalities are worth bringing into the program.

We also get into some of the questions people often have about treatment but don't always get to ask: What role should Twelve Step play in recovery? Can the beach actually be therapeutic? What happens when someone relapses while they're in treatment? And what are clinicians seeing as new substances and patterns of use emerge?

Dr. Towers also shares what she's seeing with the growing number of people coming into treatment for kratom detox, and how increasing regulations in California are changing the treatment landscape.

This conversation isn't just for people considering rehab. It's for anyone interested in addiction, recovery, therapy, or becoming a better-informed participant in their own personal growth. The more we understand about how treatment decisions are made, the better equipped we are to ask questions, advocate for ourselves, and choose the approaches that actually make sense for us.

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What started as a small number of compassionate professionals has grown into one of the nation’s most respected luxury treatment centers. But growth has never meant losing sight of what matters most—the individual engaging with our therapists, one-on-one, taking the courageous first step toward healing.From the beginning, we understood that truly transformative treatment requires more than clinical protocols. It demands a personalized approach, led by the most qualified professionals, in an environment that nurtures the whole person. That’s why we’ve assembled a team where every primary therapist holds a Doctorate in Psychology - a distinction virtually unmatched in our field. Check out ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Seasons Malibu⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ online or call 1-866-314-5160 for more information.

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(Encore episode - originally aired November 2025)

Gunnar grew up in what looked like the perfect family - until addiction slowly unraveled everything. After his parents fell deeper into their own substance use, his mother disappeared without a word, leaving Gunnar to navigate a childhood suddenly marked by instability and pain.

By his teens, he turned to meth and heroin, beginning a long cycle of drug court, jail stays, and surviving on the streets of downtown San Diego. But Gunnar’s story didn’t end there. Through grit, recovery, and a community that believed in him, he rebuilt his life from the ground up.

Now three years sober, Gunnar has graduated college and applied to graduate school with a mission: to advocate for the homeless community he once belonged to and push for real policy change.

This episode is a powerful testament to resilience, redemption, and the impact of turning lived experience into purpose.

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Cherie Ashley was arrested for fraud. Arrested for possession. Caught in a cycle of trying to beat drug tests. Heroin had her convinced there was no way out.

14 years later, she's the founder and CEO of Osier Skincare and Wellness. She owns treatment centers. She's a certified interventionist who's helped hundreds of people find the same freedom she found.

In this episode, Cherie breaks down the skill she used to survive her addiction and the exact same skill she used to build a business empire in recovery. The hustle that kept her using is the same hustle that built her life back. She didn't have to unlearn it. She had to redirect it.

We talk about what it actually takes to go from arrest records to running multiple facilities. Why the traits that make addiction so hard to escape are the same traits that make recovery entrepreneurs so hard to stop. And why Osier exists to put money back into the hands of people just like her.

If you've ever felt like your past disqualifies you from your future, this episode will change your mind.

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Feeling like a failure right now? Science says that might actually mean you're winning.

In this episode, I break down the frog pond effect, a 1966 study that explains why growth feels like falling behind instead of getting ahead. When you level up, your standards change, your environment changes, and suddenly you're comparing yourself to people who are further along than you used to be around. That feeling of not measuring up isn't proof you're failing. It's proof you're in a bigger pond.

And here's the part most people miss. Addicts already understand this better than anyone. We know what it feels like to have 30 days in a small meeting and 30 days in a big meeting. Same 30 days. Same objective progress. But that big meeting feels scary to claim, feels smaller, feels like it doesn't count as much even though it's the exact same milestone. We've already lived that gap between what's true and what it feels like. We know how to sit in that discomfort and internalize the win anyway, because we've done it in the rooms.

If you've ever felt like giving up right when things started getting hard, this episode is going to change how you see that moment completely.

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Today picks up with Matt Handy where we left him at the end of part one...choosing to be homeless and setting up a tent in downtown San Diego.

From here, Matt's choices continue to be absolutely insane, eventually culminating a bank robbery with a note claiming to have a bomb in his backpack. Matt ends up in jail on an unrelated charge, but things begin to unravel as various law enforcement agencies start to communicate and suspect Matt for the robbery. This ultimately leads to Matt's recovery journey. After a stop at the infamous LA treatment center, Delancey Street, Matt begins to find his way. Now with years sober and a treatment center owner, Matt has reconstructed his life and reunited with his family.

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Matt Handy went from heroin addict to convicted felon to tent-dweller on the streets of downtown San Diego. By choice.

Assault with a deadly weapon. Narcotics trafficking. A prostitution extortion ring. Matt did it all, and prison became a revolving door he couldn't escape.

In part one, Matt takes us through the chaos: the addiction that ran his life, the crimes that landed him behind bars again and again, and the moment he walked away from every safety net he had left.

This is not a redemption story yet. This is the bottom before the climb.

Part two drops next week: how Matt built a treatment center, a marriage, and a family from the wreckage.

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