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Joe shares his journey from college runner to ultra endurance athlete, including his experience running the Pacific Crest Trail and his transition to multi-day endurance events. He discusses his approach to training, including the use of doubles and variety in his workouts. Joe also talks about his upcoming race at Cocodona 250 and the competition he expects to face. The conversation touches on the challenges and excitement of ultra running, as well as the importance of being adaptable and open to new experiences. In this conversation, Joe and Kevin discuss their experiences at the Cocodona 250 race and the impact of COVID on their performance. They also talk about the All In Trail Collective, a coaching scholarship program for younger athletes. Joe shares his thoughts on the rise in popularity of 200-mile races and the future of the sport. The conversation ends with the Quick Five questions, where Joe shares his highest high and lowest low at Cocodona, his favorite food for a 200-mile race, his favorite piece of gear, and his perspective on finding his distance to empty.