Lisa sits down with her long time client, back from her personal training days, Michelle, about awakening to the human experience. Together they take a walk down memory lane reflecting on the earliest teachings of Out of the Cave, before the actual business even existed!

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[4:15] Michelle recalls not really being aware of her early relationship to food, eating, and her body until working with Lisa and coming “out of the cave” and is now able to look at what life was like as a child of the 70s

[8:00] Michelle speaks of the trauma being a tomboy and going through puberty and being treated differently by the boys who were once her best friends

[16:00] Michelle talks about worrying about how she looked in her late teens, early adulthood in context of the 70s and 80s, in the heyday of the supermodel and teen magazines and really not being conscious of the effect of those times til much later

[21:00] Michelle remembers thinking about her body as a problem, and dieting for the first time and doing that for years until meeting Lisa in the gym

[27:30] Michelle looks back and remember meeting Lisa in the gym and their early work together

[38:00] Michelle talks about having anxiety and how it manifested physically for her

[42:00] Michelle shares a powerful experience she had being guided through a meditation by Lisa

[51:00] Michelle tells us how her life looks different now that she has spent years living out of the cave

[1:04:00] Why Michelle left her job

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