This one hits two sides of leadership that every builder needs.

I sat down with Leslie Hocker and Lisa Grimolfson to unpack the mindset work leaders avoid but desperately need. Leslie breaks down the inner game of confidence, how to coach yourself forward, and why your own voice becomes the strategy people follow. Her “Tell, Show, Try, Do” framework is a leadership multiplier you can use today.

Lisa’s chapter takes another angle. She talks about the courage to be seen, especially for the quiet, insecure, or overlooked leader. She walks through how to stop hiding, how to speak with conviction, and how to lead without waiting for permission. Her story is one every person with self-doubt needs to hear.

We covered confidence, clarity, vulnerability, and the daily actions that actually build leaders.

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This episode will make you think bigger and lead stronger. Every team needs this conversation.