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Stan and Marshall respond to an artist’s tweet who asks if it’s possible to learn from artists who have talent, but are terrible people. Can you separate the art from the artist?

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Justin Chang and Lorraine Ali conversation on disgraced Hollywood figures- 

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Dwight Schrute - https://youtu.be/LYyZqlyDEL4

Andrew Loomis Fun with a Pencil - https://amzn.to/3jBqIwj

People's History of The United States By Howard Zinn - https://amzn.to/3jo9nXh

Eugène Henri Paul Gauguin - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/gauguin-artwork-s2e20.jpg

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2Senior Visual Development Artist Anthony Francisco joins us to talk about creature design and how he went from a minimum wage job to his dream career as an artist! Anthony has worked on some of the biggest movies in the Marvel movie universe. He designed Baby Groot, costumes for Black Panther and many more. You’ll hear how Anthony’s fake portfolio and his sketchbook landed him his first few jobs, how his life in the Philippines influenced the direction of his art, and the advice he’d give to artists who want to pursue the kind of career he’s had as a concept designer for blockbuster films.  

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Alec Gillis - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/alec-gillis-s2e19.jpg

Justin Sweet - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/justin-sweet-artwork-s2e19.jpg

Fred Fixler - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/fred-fixler-s2e19.jpg

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Marshall and Stan field voicemail questions about balancing time an artist should devote to input and output, what kind of message they want to convey with their art, how much showing off is too much, and whether an artist should take a pay cut to create artwork for friends.

If you have a question call and leave a voicemail at 1-858-609-9453. If you’re not located in the U.S. you can record an audio message and send it to us at [email protected]. 

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Questions

5:00 - How do you find a balance between input and output as an artist? 

11:54 - What kind of message do you want to give in your artwork?

24:26 - Prank call 

25:36 - How much showing off is too much?

34:18 - How do I price my work for good friends who don’t have a lot of money, but want to commission me for work?

44:28 - Outro

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Artists Mentioned:

War of Art Book - https://amzn.to/2YaOpD5

Marshalls Mad Magazine Art - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/mad-marshall-cover-s2e18.jpg

On Kitsch by Odd Nerdrum - https://amzn.to/2YbmCm3

Robert Williams (Juxtapoz Magazine) - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/robert-williams-juxtapoz-s218.jpg

Big Daddy Ed Roth (Hot Rod Monster Art) - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/big-daddy-ed-roth-s2e18.jpg

Spike Lee’s Master Class - https://youtu.be/B1sm4JEqCdo

War of Art Draftsmen Episode - https://youtu.be/CMperuKhkbs

The Art of Fiction by John Gardner - https://amzn.to/344A0fD

Milt Kahl (American animator) - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/milt-kahl-american-animator-s2e18.jpg

Learn to Draw - www.proko.com

Marshall Vandruff - www.marshallart.com

Stan Prokopenko - instagram.com/stanprokopenko

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In this episode, Stan and Marshall discuss studying from masters. You’ll learn the difference between a master study and a copy, how beginners should approach studying masters, the artists that Stan and Marshall have done studies from and lessons they learned from them, a breakdown of the creative process, and how to figure out which artists are worth studying. Also, Court Jones from the Caricature course produced a couple lessons on master studies. Find them in the show notes below.

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Stan’s Master Studies - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/stan-prokopenko-master-studies-paintings-draftsmen-s2e17.jpg

Stan’s “Brothers” Painting - http://www.stanprokopenko.com/blog/2009/07/painting-brothers/

Marshall’s Ink Sketches - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/marshall-vandruff-ink-horse-draftsmen-s2e17.jpg

Books andResources: 

Developing Your Style by Studying the Masters - https://youtu.be/6P8hos5PL_4

Improving Your Style With a Master Study - https://youtu.be/fgbLg5aFrWg

Drawing Lessons from the Great Masters by Robert Beverly Hale - https://amzn.to/3gLXARI

Norman Rockwell: Behind The Camera by Ron Schick - https://amzn.to/3acEcL8

My Adventures as an Illustrator: Norman Rockwell - https://amzn.to/33MMuse

Rockwell on Rockwell: How I Make a Picture - https://amzn.to/3gLjS67

Rendering in Pen and Ink by Arthur Guptill - https://amzn.to/3fLWggk

How Artists Grow Over Time (ft. Cesar Santos) - https://proko.com/251

Sketchbook Tour with Cesar Santos – How to Become a Living Master - https://proko.com/250

How to be a Good Student – Draftsmen S2E14 - https://proko.com/424

Adopting Art Parents to Develop Your Style - Draftsmen S1E05 - https://proko.com/330

Jon Gnagy Learn How to Draw - https://amzn.to/2DNc31o

Andrew Loomis - https://amzn.to/3isQlP0

Artists Mentioned: 

Michelangelo- https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/michelangelo-drawing-and-painting-draftsmen-s2e17.jpg

Rembrandt- https://www.proko.com/draftsmen-media/rembrandt-the%20death-of-sketching-draftsmen-s2e17.jpg

Nicolai Fechin - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/nicolai-fechin-paintings-draftsmen-s2e17.jpg

Howard Terpning - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/howard-terpning-horse-painting-draftsmen-s2e17.jpg

Tucker Smith - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/tucker-smith-moose-at-dean-lake-painting-draftsmen-s2e17.jpg

Morgan Weistling - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/morgan-weistling-paintings-draftsmen-s2e17.jpg

J. C. Leyendecker - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/j-c-leyendecker-paintings-draftsmen-s2e17.jpg

Norman Rockwell - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/norman-rockwell-paintings-and-references-draftsmen-s2e17.jpg

Gustave Doré - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/gustave-doré-drawing-draftsmen-s2e17.jpg

John Singer Sargent - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/john-singer-sargent-mrs-fiske-warren-painting-draftsmen-s2e17.jpg

Joaquín Sorolla - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/joaquín-sorolla-paintings-draftsmen-s2e17.jpg

Mary Cassatt - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/mary-cassatt-painting-draftsmen-s2e17.jpg

Franklin Booth - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/franklin-booth-artwork-draftsmen-s2e17.jpg

Heinrich Kley - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/heinrich-kley-sketches-artwork-draftsmen-s2e17.jpg

Gerald Scarfe - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/gerald-scarfe-artwork-draftsmen-s2e17.jpg

Claire Wendling - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/claire-wendling-artwork-draftsmen-s2e17.jpg

Winsor McCay - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/winsor-mccay-artwork-draftsmen-s2e17.jpg

George Herriman - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/george-herriman-comic-draftsmen-s2e17.jpg

...and more artists mentioned at https://proko.com/430

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Drill Sergeant Stan and Major Marshall review the book “The War of Art” by Steven Pressfield. The book was written to help artists tackle some of the mental challenges that get in the way of creating. Using war as a metaphor, the author offers solutions to get things done by defeating ‘resistance’ - the difficult obstacles artists face. Both Marshall and Stan have caveats with Pressfield’s advice though, and like everything else, it depends on how you apply it. 

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Stan and Marshall teach you how to be a good student. The mindset, habits, and things you can do that will speed up your learning process and make it more enjoyable. They also discuss kind vs wicked learning, methods for taking notes and staying organized, treating your education as a job and the importance of getting real world experience as a student. 

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Workflowy - https://workflowy.com/

William Stout - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/william-stout-artwork-s2e14.jpg

Asking Pros episode with William Stout - https://www.proko.com/getting-your-first-art-job-asking-pros

David duChemin’s Vision Mongering - https://davidduchemin.com/2009/11/whats-a-visionmonger/

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Scott Flanders (aka Shapecarver) joins us as the first guest of the Draftsmen Podcast! He shares his good and bad experiences working in the gaming art industry, the dark side of working in a corporate environment, the challenges he’s faced to make it as an artist and family man, and how he’s been able to become an independent artist and entrepreneur doing what he truly loves.

Scott’s Website - https://www.tarpitstudios.com/

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Digital Shape Carving with Scott Flanders - https://youtu.be/-i-EgBilwks

Actually Carving Shapes with Scott Flanders - https://youtu.be/asZTfoVAc-Q

Rag Painting with Scott Flanders - https://youtu.be/5gVj3h_9yZc

Reacting to YOUR Monster Art on Instagram (Prokochallenge) - https://youtu.be/_jzcagO02aA

Character Design Workflow - Concepting for 3D Games and Movies - https://youtu.be/J8g3JKobvnk

Evolve - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/evolve-digital-art-and-sculpture-concepts-s2e13.jpg

Legends of Runeterra - https://playruneterra.com/en-us/

Tar Pit Studios - https://www.tarpitstudios.com/

Scott’s Patreon - https://patreon.com/shapecarver

Tar Pit Wars kitbashing - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/tar-pit-wars-kitbashing-team-s2e13.jpg

Guy Davis and The Marquis: Inferno - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/guy-davis-artwork-and-comic-s2e13.jpg

Peter Koenig - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/peter-koenig-movie-sculptures-s2e13.jpg

Stephen Oakley - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/stephen-oakley-artwork-s2e13.jpg

Kurt Papstein - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/kurt-papstein-artwork-s2e13.jpg

Majid Smiley - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/majid-smiley-esmaeili-wolverine-s2e13.jpg

Simon Lee - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/simon-lee-spiderzero-s2e13.jpg

Knight Zhang - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/knight-zhang-digital-art-S2e13.jpg

Joe Rogan, Brendan Schaub - https://youtu.be/01Uj1eNnZ8o

King’s Beach - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/kings-beach-art-promo-s2e13.jpg

La Brea Tar Pits - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/la-brea-tar-pits-s2e13.jpg

Pixologic 3D print - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/pixologic-3d-printed-sculpture-s2e13.jpg

Learn to Draw - www.proko.com

Marshall Vandruff - www.marshallart.com

Stan Prokopenko - instagram.com/stanprokopenko

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Marshall and Stan answer questions about networking, cross training, royalties, breaking rules to create a unique art style, going all in vs having a backup, and studying multiple things at once. Also, Marshall gives advice on how to ask good questions!

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Questions in episode

What do you think of David Ross’s Book on Figure Drawing?

How do you network while you’re training online?

Do you charge for book covers? Do you receive royalties on sales of the book? How do you price digital artwork?

Is it better to become specialized or cross train multiple subjects?

Is it essential to violate compositional rules to create a unique style?

How to ask better questions

The Abstraction Ladder

Is it better to go all in on my passion or get a degree in a backup career that is safer to make money?

Should I study one thing at a time, or multiple things at once?

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Vincent van Gogh - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/van-gogh-famous-paintings-s2e12.jpg

Peter Paul Rubens - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/rubens-anatomical-studies-s2e12.jpg

Norman Rockwell - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/homecoming-marine-norman-rockwell-painting-s2e12.jpg

Edgar Payne - https://amzn.to/38x0bvB

Edward Hopper - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/edward-hopper-paintings-s2e12.jpg

SI Hayakawa - Language in thought and action - https://amzn.to/2YWVxnz

Leonardo Da Vinci - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/Mona-Lisa-Leonardo-da-Vinci-s2e12.jpg

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Stan Prokopenko - instagram.com/stanprokopenko

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Stan and Marshall talk about how and why years of teaching helped them learn to draw. Stan breaks down the process of how he creates educational videos and how teaching anatomy has strengthened his understanding of anatomy. Glenn Vilppu said there are no rules, just tools. When we come across a rule in our studies, we need to investigate the purpose of the rule, so we understand why and when to properly apply it.

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Jeff Watts - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/jeff-watts-sketches-draftsmen-s2e11.jpg

Draftsmen S1E01 Fear of Critiques - https://www.proko.com/fear-of-critiques-and-attempting-photorealism-draftsmen-s1e01/

Thomas Blackshear - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/thomas-blackshear-draftsmen-s2e11.jpg

Mark English - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/mark-english-draftsmen-s2e11.jpg

Top 5 Shading Mistakes - https://www.proko.com/top-5-shading-mistakes/

Top 5 Drawing Mistakes - https://www.proko.com/top-5-drawing-mistakes/

Hand Drawing Lessons - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJjMiXlq9ns&list=PLtG4P3lq8RHExM4hzeEW2TRZTB88wKKYf

Ira Glass speech - https://vimeo.com/24715531

Zen in the Art of Writing by Ray Bradbury - https://amzn.to/2VnCtfR

Glenn Vilppu - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/glenn-vilppu-female-figure-drawing-s2e11.jpg

Workflowy - https://workflowy.com/

Writing the Natural Way by Gabriele Rico - https://amzn.to/2CLl2Q5

Writing Well by Donald Hall - https://amzn.to/2BdDFvz

Scott Flanders - https://www.proko.com/digital-shape-carving-with-scott-flanders/

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Marshall Vandruff - www.marshallart.com

Stan Prokopenko - instagram.com/stanprokopenko

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Marshall and Stan devote an episode to answering voicemail questions! They answer hot topics like whether or not it makes sense for an artist to finish a drawing that has mistakes in it, can you make it as an artist without sacrificing your social life, and is ballpoint pen a viable tool… If you enjoy these episodes please send us more questions. 

You can call us at 1-858-609-9453 or send an audio recording to [email protected]

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Emma Coats’ 22 Maxims of Pixar Storytelling: https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-22-rules-of-storytelling-according-to-pixar-5916970

George Bridgman - https://amzn.to/2zNDWVp

William Stout - https://proko.com/367

Neil Gaiman - Make Good Art: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikAb-NYkseI

Arnold Schwarzenegger - Stay at Home, Stay Fit: https://www.reddit.com/user/GovSchwarzenegger/comments/flz3es/stay_at_home_stay_fit/

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Bagdad Cafe - https://amzn.to/3fyzdWO

Marshall’s composition recommendations: https://www.marshallart.com/HOME/reviews/composition/

The Natural Way to Draw by Kimon Nicolaïdes - https://amzn.to/2Bo2rJf

Eadweard Muybridge - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/muybridge-photos-draftsmen-s2e10.jpg

France Van Stone - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/france-van-stone-draftsmen-s2e10.jpg

Samuel Silva - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/samuel-silva-redhead-girl-ballpoint-pen-draftsmen-s2e10.jpg

Richard Johnson - https://proko.com/draftsmen-media/richard-johnson-ballpoint-pen-draftsmen-s2e10.jpg

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Marshall Vandruff - www.marshallart.com

Stan Prokopenko - instagram.com/stanprokopenko

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