Enneagram in Real Life

On this week’s episode of Enneagram IRL, we meet with Chris Schoolcraft. Chris has led and coached individuals, teams, and organizations through adversity for over 25 years. During this time, he has worked in religious, non-profit, and corporate settings, investing in urban, small towns, and suburban communities. He has learned from and supported both the disenfranchised and the ultra-wealthy, personally and professionally, partnering with non-profits and businesses to positively impact communities and lives.

A little over 8 years ago, Chris's life underwent a foundation-shaking shift, prompting him to seek new tools, perspectives, and relationships. He was introduced to the Enneagram, engaged in therapy focusing on inner child work, and enlisted a professional coach. Chris discovered a newfound authenticity and resilience, leading to a richer and deeper life. Out of this life-changing journey, Chris feels a clearer call to lead and coach organizations, teams, groups, and individuals toward greater self-awareness, growth, depth, and transformation.

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💻 https://www.clsleadership.com/

📷 Instagram: @cls.leadership

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Here are the key takeaways:

• Chris talks about his background & how he discovered the Enneagram
• Typing as a Five and spending a year exploring his type
• Discovering his subtype as an SP Five
• “As Fives, we perfected getting our needs met without asking”
• Discussing boundaries and privacy 
• Type Five childhood wound - Either abandoned or too intruded upon
• Nervous system overload
• The passion of “Avarice” and fixation of “Stinginess” 
• “Fives want to know the answer before they get to the conversation”
• Fives learning to “do”
• Origin stories and how they make up who we are
• How does Chris see his type in work?
• Coming out of the “abstract” and experiencing the present
• Connecting to other Intelligence Centers
• Chris’ experience in leadership
• How can people connect with Fives?
• Practical advice for Fives beginning their self-discovery journey

Resources mentioned in this episode:

• The Road Back to You by Ian Morgan Cron & Suzanne Stabile 
• The Essential Enneagram by David Daniels
• Enneagram teachers — Russ Hudson, Beatrice Chestnut & Uranio Paes
• Bringing Your Shadow Out of the Dark by Augustus Masters Robert

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On this week’s episode of Enneagram IRL, we meet with Chrissy Lavdovksy, the passionate founder and lead designer of GLDN Jewelry: a studio she started a decade ago with just fifty bucks in her pocket…and organically grew into the beloved brand it is today. Her dream was to create personal, meaningful jewelry that connects people to their stories and makers to their craft through conscious, thoughtful practices. Chrissy’s enthusiasm for design and love for exploring our humanness became the cornerstones of GLDN, transforming jewelry into intrinsically charged keepsakes that represent what you care about most. 

GLDN just launched their biggest labor of love yet: the Enneagram Collection that they spent four years designing. The collection features a reversible necklace for every enneagram type, with custom symbols hand-illustrated by Chrissy to represent each type’s gift and guiding light.

Use code NINETYPES at checkout for 15% off the Enneagram Collection or any of their timeless, ethically-made staples. 

🔗 Connect with GLDN!
💻 https://gldn.com/
📷 Instagram: @itsgldn
📱 TikTok: @itsgldn

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🎥Youtube: @stephbarronhall

Here are the key takeaways:

• Chrissy’s background and what inspired her to create GLDN
• Discovering the system & gaining self-awareness as a Seven through the Enneagram
• “Pain for me was boredom”
• GLDN’s Enneagram collection: How did Chrissy develop the concept?
• Chrissy walks through each Enneagram type’s “Gift” and “Guiding Light” of the pendants 
• Highlighting the virtues in our growth path
• “You don’t have to be chasing. It is in you. It is here.”
• What skills and practices have helped Chrissy as a Type Seven
• Gratitude vs. Enthusiasm 
• Steph talks about her perspective on the “Gift” and “Guiding Light” for Three
• Where to find GLDN and the Enneagram Collection

Resources mentioned in this episode:

• Waking Up App
• Rapid Transformational Therapy
• Insight Timer
• The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle

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On this week’s episode of Enneagram IRL, we meet with Missy Stevens and Susanne Kerns of the “Mom and…” Podcast.
 
Missy Stevens is a writer, foster child advocate, and podcaster. Her past life includes stints as a corporate community relations manager, and non-profit communications writer. These days, Missy is an aspiring novelist, slowly working on endless revisions of her first manuscript. Her work has been featured in local and national online publications, as well as in the stage production, Listen to Your Mother.  Susanne is a humor writer living in Austin, Texas with her husband and two children. Her work has been featured in Scary Mommy, Redbook, Today Parents and several parenting anthologies. She's currently writing her first non-fiction book. and also runs "Informed Parents of Austin," a group she founded to advocate for LGBTQIA+ students, families and staff in her school district.

Listen to the “Mom and…” Podcast Here!

🔗 Connect with Susanne and Missy!

💻 https://momandpodcast.com

📷 Instagram: @momandpod

🎥 Youtube: @momandpodcast

📱 Facebook: @MomAndPodcast

🔗 Connect with Steph!

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📷 Instagram: @ninetypesco

🎥Youtube: @stephbarronhall

Here are the key takeaways:

• The story behind the “Mom and…” Podcast 
• “Make your ellipsis count”
• Missy’s typing journey as an Enneagram Nine
• Susanne’s typing experience as an Enneagram Nine
• Nine’s standing up for justice
• Wings vs. subtypes
• A breakdown of Self-Pres, Social, and One-to-one Nine
• Brief growth paths for each subtype
• What is it like working together as two Nines?
• Taking time to rest and revitalize
• Reflecting on the world shutting down during the pandemic
• Numbing out the world as a Nine
• Susanne and Missy’s advice to other Nines beginning their Self-discovery journey
• Where to find the “Mom and…” duo!

Resources mentioned in this episode:

• The Wisdom of the Enneagram by Riso and Hudson
• The Artist's Way by Julia Cameron
• Feel-Good Productivity by Ali Abdaal
• The 5 Resets by Aditi Nerurkar
• Radiant Rebellion by Karen Walrond
• Devotions by Mary Oliver

Learn more about subtypes! Download my free subtypes guide here.

Want to keep learning about the Enneagram? Grab Steph’s new book, Enneagram in Real Life! Find the book, ebook, or audiobook wherever books are sold.

On this week’s episode of Enneagram IRL, we meet with Dr. Deborah Threadgill Egerton. She is an Internationally Respected Psychotherapist, Best-selling Author and Unity and Belonging Advocate for the Healing of Humanity. Affectionately referred to as Dr. E, she has attained IEA Certification with Distinction for her groundbreaking utilization of the Enneagram in the realm of bridging historical divides. Her work is dedicated to dismantling marginalization and transcending the divisive practice of "othering".

Dr. E serves as the President of the International Enneagram Association and extends her coaching and mentoring expertise to a diverse spectrum of individuals, including best-selling authors, top-tier executives, spiritual luminaries, accomplished therapists, and a myriad of thought leaders, each hailing from distinct and varied backgrounds. In her multifaceted roles as Consultant, Coach, Mentor, and Spiritual Teacher, Dr. Egerton guides humanity toward harmonious unification. 

Grab her book, The Enneagram Made Easy, out now!

🔗 Connect with Dr. Deborah Egerton!

💻 https://www.deborahegerton.com/

📷 Instagram: @enneagramjedi

📱 Facebook: @DeborahEgerton 

👩‍💻 LinkedIn: Dr. Deborah Egerton

🔗 Connect with Steph!

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📷 Instagram: @ninetypesco

🎥Youtube: @stephbarronhall

Here are the key takeaways:

• Diving into Dr. E’s background
• How did Dr. Egerton see herself in Type One
• “Information, when embodied, becomes wisdom” 
• Utilizing all three centers of intelligence 
• What is “A full body ‘yes’”?
• Practical advice for beginners practicing presence and mindfulness 
• “The present moment is the most important moment of your life”
• How does her background as a psychotherapist intersect with the work she does with the Enneagram?
• Paying attention to mental health and wellbeing
• “Move to the solution”
• Talking through a few perspectives of Type One
• Dr. E touches on the Harmonics and Law of Three
• The story behind the book, The Enneagram Made Easy?
• “We want to make love and kindness complicated, and it’s not complicated”
• Utilizing the wings and arrows for growth

Resources mentioned in this episode:

• No Bad Parts by Richard Schwartz 

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Want to keep learning about the Enneagram? Grab Steph’s new book, Enneagram in Real Life! Find the book, ebook, or audiobook wherever books are sold.

On this week’s episode of Enneagram IRL, we meet with Jeff Karp, Ph.D., acclaimed mentor and biomedical engineering professor at Harvard Medical School and MIT, a Distinguished Chair at Brigham and Women’s Hospital. As a child, his teacher wanted to hold him back in the second grade. As an adult, he got his PhD, became a celebrated Professor and member of the National Academy of Inventors, and a Distinguished Chair at Brigham and Women’s Hospital where he has co-founded twelve companies, amassed over 100 patents and received 50 awards.

Fueled by his Life Ignition Tools, 'LIT', Jeff turned to nature for inspiration to revolutionize lab practices. Now, Jeff is sharing his lessons in his debut book. LIT aims to empower others to take themselves off autopilot and unlock their own reservoirs of potential. 

Grab a copy of LIT: Life Ignition Tools here!

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💻 https://jeffkarp.com/

🔗 Connect with Steph!

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📷 Instagram: @ninetypesco

🎥Youtube: @stephbarronhall

Here are the key takeaways:

• Jeff’s experience as a child with ADHD
• Highlighting Jeff’s Enneagram Type, Seven
• What is Radical Simplicity and how is it helpful?
• What inspired Jeff’s new book, LIT: Life Ignition Tools?
• Low-energy brain state vs. high-energy brain state?
• “Do New” practice to tap into a high-energy brain state
• “Flip the Switch”, a four-step process to bring more awareness
• Connecting to your senses to help get out of the head
• Harnessing creativity by increasing your curiosity 
• Making tiny changes to create momentum
• Experiencing awe

Resources mentioned in this episode:

• Turning Failure into Success: 3 Principles of Radical Simplicity TEDx Talk
• Feel-Good Productivity by Ali Abdaal
• Into the Magic Shop by James R. Doty

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On this week’s episode of Enneagram IRL, we meet with Dani Cooper, a Certified Enneagram Teacher, Coach, and totally-biased cheerleader for individuals, couples, and teams who want to find out who they really are and grow beyond the armor of their Enneagram types.  She is the author of the book, The Enneagram for Christian Couples, which came out in 2022. Her life's work is learning how to love herself as a messy, imperfect and absolutely enough human person.

Book a session with Dani here!

🔗 Connect with Dani Cooper!

💻 https://www.deepwatersenneagram.com/

📷 Instagram: @deepwatersenneagram

🔗 Connect with Steph!

💻 https://ninetypes.co/

📷 Instagram: @ninetypesco

🎥Youtube: @stephbarronhall

Here are the key takeaways:

• Diving into Dani’s background
• “Without knowledge of self, there is no knowledge of God”
• Dani’s AHA moments when typing as a One
• “I’m not perfect enough to be a perfectionist” 
• Typing as the one-to-one subtype
• Perspectives within their relationships from one-to-one subtypes
• “With awareness, we get to choose. Without awareness, you just react.”
• Growing up with negative messaging
• How do you measure what’s “appropriate?”
• What has Dani learned from working with clients?
• Dani’s advice for those starting a self-discovery journey
• How to connect with Dani

Resources mentioned in this episode:

• The Dance of the Dissident Daughter by Sue Monk Kidd
• The Book of Longings: A Novel by Sue Monk Kidd
• The Wisdom of Your Body by Hillary L. McBride

Want to keep learning about the Enneagram? Grab Steph’s new book, Enneagram in Real Life! Find the book, ebook, or audiobook wherever books are sold.

On this week’s episode of Enneagram IRL, we meet with Tyler Zach, author and certified Enneagram coach with 18 years of experience coaching students, adults, couples, and business teams. He has grown a vibrant community of over 47K Enneagram enthusiasts on his Instagram account @GospelForEnneagram. He is writing a faith-based 40-day devotional for every Enneagram type which you can grab on Amazon.com. 

To test drive your type's book, download a free 5-day devotional on his website at https://www.tylerzach.com/free.  

🔗 Connect with Tyler Zach!

💻 https://www.tylerzach.com

📷 Instagram: @GospelForEnneagram

🎥 Youtube: @gospelforenneagram

📱 Facebook: @gospelforenneagram

🐦 X/Twitter: @gospelforgram

🔗 Connect with Steph!

💻 https://ninetypes.co/

📷 Instagram: @ninetypesco

🎥Youtube: @stephbarronhall

Here are the key takeaways:

• My mom follows Tyler’s Instagram
• How we (as Threes) sometimes mistype ourselves based on how we want to be
• Making the decision to leave ministry
• Loss of identity and identity work as a Three
• Changing his perspective from his previous ideas (Joke about Wayne Grudem, IYKYK)
• Opening up to different perspectives of himself and who God is
• How we use our types to harm others unintentionally, and how the Enneagram can improve our relationships
• Sixes as protectors
• Feeling like we’re drowning as Threes when we try to slow down
•  The EnneaSummit: how it came to be and why Tyler is excited about it
• Tip for Threes: Practice slowing down. It doesn’t feel great at first, but it’s necessary.

Resources mentioned in this episode:

• The EnneaSummit: Love & Relationships Edition
• Tyler’s History of the Enneagram Course https://www.tylerzach.com/history 
• The Road Back to You by Ian Morgan Cron and Suzanne Stabile
• Enneagram 2.0 Podcast by Beatrice Chestnut and Uranio Paes
• Facets of Unity by AH Almaas (the book Steph mentions on Holy Ideas)
• Here on a Mission by Donald Miller

Want to keep learning about the Enneagram? Grab Steph’s new book, Enneagram in Real Life! Find the book, ebook, or audiobook wherever books are sold.

On this week’s episode of Enneagram IRL, we meet with Dr. Aditi Nerurkar, Harvard physician, nationally recognized stress expert, and author. She is also an in-demand multi-media personality, high profile medical correspondent, internationally renowned Fortune50 speaker, and podcaster. Uniquely fulfilling her original career ambition to be a journalist, Dr. Nerurkar has been featured in The Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post, Oprah Magazine, Architectural Digest and Elle – in addition to being a columnist for Forbes and writing for The Atlantic.

Dr. Nerurkar’s expertise on stress comes from working with thousands of patients throughout her years as a primary care physician and director of an integrative medicine program at Harvard’s Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center. She is now a lecturer at Harvard Medical School in the Division of Global Health & Social Medicine and serves as the Co-Director of the Clinical Clerkship in Community Engagement. She has also worked in global public health at a World Health Organization collaboration center in Geneva, Switzerland.

To bring stress back to healthy levels, Dr. Nerurkar offers her five science-backed mindset shifts, rooted in more than two decades of clinical experience, for when life gets hard:

• The First Reset: Get Clear on What Matters Most
• The Second Reset: Find Quiet in a Noisy World
• The Third Reset: Sync Your Brain and Your Body
• The Fourth Reset: Come Up for Air
• The Fifth Reset: Bring Your Best Self Forward

To learn more about Dr. Aditi Nerurkar and “The 5 Resets,” visit https://www.draditi.com/.

🔗 Connect with Dr. Aditi Nerurkar!

💻 https://www.draditi.com/

📷 Instagram: @draditinerurkar

🔗 Connect with Steph!

💻 https://ninetypes.co/

📷 Instagram: @ninetypesco

🎥Youtube: @stephbarronhall

Here are the key takeaways:

• What is Toxic Resilience?
• The Rule of Two
• Diving into the Five Resets
• Addressing: “I’ve tried everything nothing is working”
• What is the mind-body connection?
• Exercise: Stop, Breathe, Be & Sticky Feet
• Myth: You can’t think your way out of stress

Resources mentioned in this episode:

• The Covenant of Water Novel by Abraham Verghese
• Cutting for Stone Novel by Abraham Verghese

Learn more about subtypes! Download my free subtypes guide here.

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Want to keep learning about the Enneagram? Grab Steph’s new book, Enneagram in Real Life! Find the book, ebook, or audiobook wherever books are sold.

On this week’s episode of Enneagram IRL, we meet with Dr. Meg Arroll (PhD, CPsychol, CSci, AFBPsS, FHEA, MISCPAccred), a chartered psychologist, scientist and author with a specialist focus on behavioural psychology related to health and wellness, invisible/misunderstood illness and everyday trauma. Dr Meg has published widely in peer-reviewed journals including British Medical Journal (Open) and Medical Hypotheses, in addition to seven mainstream books for the public on topics ranging from chronic fatigue to emotional eating. Dr Meg works on a 1-2-1 basis with individuals, in corporate settings to improve health and performance and as an advisor to brands and the media. As a regular contributor to commercial publications such as The Daily Mail and Psychologies magazine, Dr Meg translates complex scientific theories and research for public dissemination.

Meg has held academic positions at a number of universities and is currently an assessor for the British Psychological Society’s chartered route in coaching psychology. She’s busy promoting her most recent book Tiny Traumas around the world, across 33 publication territories including the UK, USA, throughout Europe, South America, Asia and Australasia and splits her time between London and the southern states of the US.

Grab her book here!

🔗 Connect with Meg!
💻 https://www.drmegarroll.com/
📷 Instagram: @drmegarroll

🔗 Connect with Steph!
💻 https://ninetypes.co/
📷 Instagram: @ninetypesco
🎥Youtube: @stephbarronhall

Here are the key takeaways:

• Breaking down “little T” trauma
• Why “Keep Calm and Carry On” isn’t helpful
• Misconceptions about tiny T trauma
• Meg’s Triple A approach: Awareness, Acceptance, Action
• Benefits of emotional writing
• What is our “psychological immune system?”
• Meg’s response to “Is everything just trauma nowadays?”

Resources mentioned in this episode:

• James Pennebaker’s work
• I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou

Learn more about subtypes! Download my free subtypes guide here.

Not sure about your type? Get my free self-typing guide and a series of six emails to walk you through the whole process. Sign up here: https://ninetypes.co/selftyping-guide

Want to keep learning about the Enneagram? Grab Steph’s new book, Enneagram in Real Life! Find the book, ebook, or audiobook wherever books are sold.

On this week’s episode of Enneagram IRL, we meet with Naomi Hattaway. Naomi is the CEO of 8th & Home, a consulting practice that combines affordable housing and homelessness prevention work, with the power of Leaving Well, a practice for individuals, organizations, and boards in periods of transition. 

Her practice of leadership and implementation of the Leaving Well concept combines strategic visioning, organizational development, and community care. She delivers a deep commitment to equitable practices, a willingness to have tough conversations, strong project management and facilitation skills, and compassion and generosity to every interaction and facet of her work.

After living across the US, her family moved overseas to India where she learned to thrive in the midst of chaos. Following one year in Singapore, they moved back to the US and have traipsed their way through Florida, Virginia, Ohio, and Nebraska, and now back in Florida. Naomi is an 8w7, and her love languages are accountability, tattoos & really good playlists.

🔗 Connect with Naomi!

💻 https://naomihattaway.com

📷 Instagram: @naomihattaway

🧑‍💻Linkedin: @naomihattaway

🔗 Connect with Steph!

💻 https://ninetypes.co/

📷 Instagram: @ninetypesco

🎥Youtube: @stephbarronhall

Here are the key takeaways:

• Naomi’s journey of self-discovery
• Vulnerability vs. transparency in Eights
• What is the concept of “Leaving Well”
• Grief and loss as part of a transition
• Discussing each Enneagram type in workplace transition
• The Workplace Transition Archetypes
• Practical Practices for those making transitions 
• How to connect with Naomi

Resources mentioned in this episode:

• “Eight” by Sleeping at Last 
• Necessary Endings by Henry Cloud
• Your Caring Heart by Jaiya John 
• Workplace Transition Archetype Quiz 
• DiSC® Profile
• The Power of Onlyness by Nilofer Merchant
• Leading for Justice by Rita Sever
• Supervision Matters by Rita Sever
• Countdown to Leaving Resource by Naomi

Learn more about subtypes! Download my free subtypes guide here.

Not sure about your type? Get my free self-typing guide here: https://ninetypes.co/selftyping-guide

Want to keep learning about the Enneagram? Grab Steph’s new book, Enneagram in Real Life! Find the book, ebook, or audiobook wherever books are sold.