On this week’s episode of Enneagram IRL, Stephanie meets with Christina S. Wilcox.  They discuss Christina’s journey to identifying her Enneagram type and her evolution from mistyping herself as a Four and a Three before ultimately identifying as a Type Six with a Five wing. Christina reflects on how her experiences with OCD, mental health, and personal motivations have intertwined with her understanding of her Enneagram type.

Christina is an author, mental health advocate, enneagram expert, and creative. You may recognize her from her first book Take Care of Your Type: An Enneagram Guide to Self-Care, or from one of her Instagram graphics. As her second book, Take Care of your Friends is released, Christina continues to pursue her passion for writing and analysis of behavior as she works a 9-5 in Content Strategy. She hopes to continue to advance her understanding of the Enneagram while expanding her written work and online content into other mental health topics outside of personality typing systems. She currently resides in Denver, Colorado with her husband Noah, and their puppy, Moose! When she’s not writing or creating, you can find Christina indulging in cozy video games, books across every genre, and quality time with friends and family. 

🔗 Connect with Christina!
💻 https://www.christinaswilcox.com/
📷 Instagram: @christinaswilcox
🎥Youtube: @genuinelycareaboutyoupodcast
📖 https://www.christinaswilcox.com/books

🔗 Connect with Steph!
💻 https://ninetypes.co/
📷 Instagram: @ninetypesco
🎥Youtube: @stephbarronhall

Here are the key takeaways:

• Christina’s background and how she discovered the Enneagram
• Typing as a Six and searching for certainty
• Differentiating diagnosable OCD, Anxiety, and type Six patterns
• The compulsion of rumination of OCD
• Not being truly seen because of masking
• Talking about how stereotypes can be hurtful
• Intellectualizing emotions as a head type
• Getting information about emotions through the body
• Touching on how heart types show up in Typing Interviews
• How does Christina see Type Six and 5 wing in daily life?
• Needing to feel certain to feel safe
• The importance of facing the fear and feeling the pain 
• How to connect with Christina

Resources mentioned in this episode:

• Exposure and Response Prevention (ERP)
• Beatrice Chestnut 
• Little Women by Louisa May Alcott
• Tomorrow, and Tomorrow, and Tomorrow by Gabrielle Zevin

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Listen in to learn why I wrote the book, who it's for, and some of the challenges I've faced on my own Enneagram journey.

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On this week’s episode of Enneagram IRL, we meet with Brian Lee. Brian is a pastor, coach, and speaker. As a survivor of spiritual abuse and religious trauma, he has spent his time since leaving vocational ministry in 2021 working to provide recovery and resources for fellow victims and survivors. In 2023, he created and founded Broken to Beloved, a nonprofit organization that exists to help other victims and survivors through its Annual Summit and seasonal Cohorts, while also providing trauma awareness and safeguarding practices to pastors, leaders an​​d churches.

🔗 Connect with Brian Lee

💻 https://www.brokentobeloved.org/

📷 Instagram: @brokentobeloved

🔗 Connect with Steph!

💻 https://ninetypes.co/

📷 Instagram: @ninetypesco

🎥Youtube: @stephbarronhall

Here are the key takeaways:

• Noticing Type One patterns growing up
• Feeling like a mistake can lead to losing everything
• The Enneagram versus other systems of personality
• Knowing what to do when trauma happens
• What is Broken to Beloved?
• Talking Spiritual Bypass (neglecting psych work) and Toxic Positivity
• How does Brian’s type show up?
• Accessing the arrows to 4 and 7
• Shifting Type One patterns and moving toward transformation 
• Working with shame and “worm theology”
• Discussing Brian’s Social Type One experience with the inner critic
• “One” by Sleeping At Last — “grace requires nothing of me.”
• Words for other Type Ones on this inner work journey
• How to connect with Brian

Resources mentioned in this episode:

• Tiny Traumas by Meg Arroll 
• Internal Family Systems
• “One” by Sleeping At Last
• As Long as You Need: Permission to Grieve by J. S. Park
• It's Not You by Ramani Durvasula PhD

Want to keep learning about the Enneagram? Grab Steph’s new book, Enneagram in Real Life! 

Want to keep learning about the Enneagram? Grab Steph’s new book, Enneagram in Real Life! Find the book, ebook, or audiobook wherever books are sold.

On this week’s episode of Enneagram IRL, we meet with Chris Schoolcraft. Chris has led and coached individuals, teams, and organizations through adversity for over 25 years. During this time, he has worked in religious, non-profit, and corporate settings, investing in urban, small towns, and suburban communities. He has learned from and supported both the disenfranchised and the ultra-wealthy, personally and professionally, partnering with non-profits and businesses to positively impact communities and lives.

A little over 8 years ago, Chris's life underwent a foundation-shaking shift, prompting him to seek new tools, perspectives, and relationships. He was introduced to the Enneagram, engaged in therapy focusing on inner child work, and enlisted a professional coach. Chris discovered a newfound authenticity and resilience, leading to a richer and deeper life. Out of this life-changing journey, Chris feels a clearer call to lead and coach organizations, teams, groups, and individuals toward greater self-awareness, growth, depth, and transformation.

🔗 Connect with Chris!

💻 https://www.clsleadership.com/

📷 Instagram: @cls.leadership

🔗 Connect with Steph!

💻 https://ninetypes.co/

📷 Instagram: @ninetypesco

🎥Youtube: @stephbarronhall

Here are the key takeaways:

• Chris talks about his background & how he discovered the Enneagram
• Typing as a Five and spending a year exploring his type
• Discovering his subtype as an SP Five
• “As Fives, we perfected getting our needs met without asking”
• Discussing boundaries and privacy 
• Type Five childhood wound - Either abandoned or too intruded upon
• Nervous system overload
• The passion of “Avarice” and fixation of “Stinginess” 
• “Fives want to know the answer before they get to the conversation”
• Fives learning to “do”
• Origin stories and how they make up who we are
• How does Chris see his type in work?
• Coming out of the “abstract” and experiencing the present
• Connecting to other Intelligence Centers
• Chris’ experience in leadership
• How can people connect with Fives?
• Practical advice for Fives beginning their self-discovery journey

Resources mentioned in this episode:

• The Road Back to You by Ian Morgan Cron & Suzanne Stabile 
• The Essential Enneagram by David Daniels
• Enneagram teachers — Russ Hudson, Beatrice Chestnut & Uranio Paes
• Bringing Your Shadow Out of the Dark by Augustus Masters Robert

Not sure about your type? Get my free self-typing guide and a series of six emails to walk you through the whole process. Sign up here: https://ninetypes.co/selftyping-guide

Want to keep learning about the Enneagram? Grab Steph’s new book, Enneagram in Real Life! Find the book, ebook, or audiobook wherever books are sold.

On this week’s episode of Enneagram IRL, we meet with Chrissy Lavdovksy, the passionate founder and lead designer of GLDN Jewelry: a studio she started a decade ago with just fifty bucks in her pocket…and organically grew into the beloved brand it is today. Her dream was to create personal, meaningful jewelry that connects people to their stories and makers to their craft through conscious, thoughtful practices. Chrissy’s enthusiasm for design and love for exploring our humanness became the cornerstones of GLDN, transforming jewelry into intrinsically charged keepsakes that represent what you care about most. 

GLDN just launched their biggest labor of love yet: the Enneagram Collection that they spent four years designing. The collection features a reversible necklace for every enneagram type, with custom symbols hand-illustrated by Chrissy to represent each type’s gift and guiding light.

Use code NINETYPES at checkout for 15% off the Enneagram Collection or any of their timeless, ethically-made staples. 

🔗 Connect with GLDN!
💻 https://gldn.com/
📷 Instagram: @itsgldn
📱 TikTok: @itsgldn

🔗 Connect with Steph!
💻 https://ninetypes.co/
📷 Instagram: @ninetypesco
🎥Youtube: @stephbarronhall

Here are the key takeaways:

• Chrissy’s background and what inspired her to create GLDN
• Discovering the system & gaining self-awareness as a Seven through the Enneagram
• “Pain for me was boredom”
• GLDN’s Enneagram collection: How did Chrissy develop the concept?
• Chrissy walks through each Enneagram type’s “Gift” and “Guiding Light” of the pendants 
• Highlighting the virtues in our growth path
• “You don’t have to be chasing. It is in you. It is here.”
• What skills and practices have helped Chrissy as a Type Seven
• Gratitude vs. Enthusiasm 
• Steph talks about her perspective on the “Gift” and “Guiding Light” for Three
• Where to find GLDN and the Enneagram Collection

Resources mentioned in this episode:

• Waking Up App
• Rapid Transformational Therapy
• Insight Timer
• The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle

Not sure about your type? Get my free self-typing guide and a series of six emails to walk you through the whole process. Sign up here: https://ninetypes.co/selftyping-guide

Want to keep learning about the Enneagram? Grab Steph’s new book, Enneagram in Real Life! Find the book, ebook, or audiobook wherever books are sold.

On this week’s episode of Enneagram IRL, we meet with Missy Stevens and Susanne Kerns of the “Mom and…” Podcast.
 
Missy Stevens is a writer, foster child advocate, and podcaster. Her past life includes stints as a corporate community relations manager, and non-profit communications writer. These days, Missy is an aspiring novelist, slowly working on endless revisions of her first manuscript. Her work has been featured in local and national online publications, as well as in the stage production, Listen to Your Mother.  Susanne is a humor writer living in Austin, Texas with her husband and two children. Her work has been featured in Scary Mommy, Redbook, Today Parents and several parenting anthologies. She's currently writing her first non-fiction book. and also runs "Informed Parents of Austin," a group she founded to advocate for LGBTQIA+ students, families and staff in her school district.

Listen to the “Mom and…” Podcast Here!

🔗 Connect with Susanne and Missy!

💻 https://momandpodcast.com

📷 Instagram: @momandpod

🎥 Youtube: @momandpodcast

📱 Facebook: @MomAndPodcast

🔗 Connect with Steph!

💻 https://ninetypes.co/

📷 Instagram: @ninetypesco

🎥Youtube: @stephbarronhall

Here are the key takeaways:

• The story behind the “Mom and…” Podcast 
• “Make your ellipsis count”
• Missy’s typing journey as an Enneagram Nine
• Susanne’s typing experience as an Enneagram Nine
• Nine’s standing up for justice
• Wings vs. subtypes
• A breakdown of Self-Pres, Social, and One-to-one Nine
• Brief growth paths for each subtype
• What is it like working together as two Nines?
• Taking time to rest and revitalize
• Reflecting on the world shutting down during the pandemic
• Numbing out the world as a Nine
• Susanne and Missy’s advice to other Nines beginning their Self-discovery journey
• Where to find the “Mom and…” duo!

Resources mentioned in this episode:

• The Wisdom of the Enneagram by Riso and Hudson
• The Artist's Way by Julia Cameron
• Feel-Good Productivity by Ali Abdaal
• The 5 Resets by Aditi Nerurkar
• Radiant Rebellion by Karen Walrond
• Devotions by Mary Oliver

Learn more about subtypes! Download my free subtypes guide here.

Want to keep learning about the Enneagram? Grab Steph’s new book, Enneagram in Real Life! Find the book, ebook, or audiobook wherever books are sold.

On this week’s episode of Enneagram IRL, we meet with Dr. Deborah Threadgill Egerton. She is an Internationally Respected Psychotherapist, Best-selling Author and Unity and Belonging Advocate for the Healing of Humanity. Affectionately referred to as Dr. E, she has attained IEA Certification with Distinction for her groundbreaking utilization of the Enneagram in the realm of bridging historical divides. Her work is dedicated to dismantling marginalization and transcending the divisive practice of "othering".

Dr. E serves as the President of the International Enneagram Association and extends her coaching and mentoring expertise to a diverse spectrum of individuals, including best-selling authors, top-tier executives, spiritual luminaries, accomplished therapists, and a myriad of thought leaders, each hailing from distinct and varied backgrounds. In her multifaceted roles as Consultant, Coach, Mentor, and Spiritual Teacher, Dr. Egerton guides humanity toward harmonious unification. 

Grab her book, The Enneagram Made Easy, out now!

🔗 Connect with Dr. Deborah Egerton!

💻 https://www.deborahegerton.com/

📷 Instagram: @enneagramjedi

📱 Facebook: @DeborahEgerton 

👩‍💻 LinkedIn: Dr. Deborah Egerton

🔗 Connect with Steph!

💻 https://ninetypes.co/

📷 Instagram: @ninetypesco

🎥Youtube: @stephbarronhall

Here are the key takeaways:

• Diving into Dr. E’s background
• How did Dr. Egerton see herself in Type One
• “Information, when embodied, becomes wisdom” 
• Utilizing all three centers of intelligence 
• What is “A full body ‘yes’”?
• Practical advice for beginners practicing presence and mindfulness 
• “The present moment is the most important moment of your life”
• How does her background as a psychotherapist intersect with the work she does with the Enneagram?
• Paying attention to mental health and wellbeing
• “Move to the solution”
• Talking through a few perspectives of Type One
• Dr. E touches on the Harmonics and Law of Three
• The story behind the book, The Enneagram Made Easy?
• “We want to make love and kindness complicated, and it’s not complicated”
• Utilizing the wings and arrows for growth

Resources mentioned in this episode:

• No Bad Parts by Richard Schwartz 

Learn more about subtypes! Download my free subtypes guide here

Not sure about your type? Get my free self-typing guide and a series of six emails to walk you through the whole process. Sign up here: https://ninetypes.co/selftyping-guide

Want to keep learning about the Enneagram? Grab Steph’s new book, Enneagram in Real Life! Find the book, ebook, or audiobook wherever books are sold.

On this week’s episode of Enneagram IRL, we meet with Jeff Karp, Ph.D., acclaimed mentor and biomedical engineering professor at Harvard Medical School and MIT, a Distinguished Chair at Brigham and Women’s Hospital. As a child, his teacher wanted to hold him back in the second grade. As an adult, he got his PhD, became a celebrated Professor and member of the National Academy of Inventors, and a Distinguished Chair at Brigham and Women’s Hospital where he has co-founded twelve companies, amassed over 100 patents and received 50 awards.

Fueled by his Life Ignition Tools, 'LIT', Jeff turned to nature for inspiration to revolutionize lab practices. Now, Jeff is sharing his lessons in his debut book. LIT aims to empower others to take themselves off autopilot and unlock their own reservoirs of potential. 

Grab a copy of LIT: Life Ignition Tools here!

🔗 Connect with Dr. Jeff Karp!

💻 https://jeffkarp.com/

🔗 Connect with Steph!

💻 https://ninetypes.co/

📷 Instagram: @ninetypesco

🎥Youtube: @stephbarronhall

Here are the key takeaways:

• Jeff’s experience as a child with ADHD
• Highlighting Jeff’s Enneagram Type, Seven
• What is Radical Simplicity and how is it helpful?
• What inspired Jeff’s new book, LIT: Life Ignition Tools?
• Low-energy brain state vs. high-energy brain state?
• “Do New” practice to tap into a high-energy brain state
• “Flip the Switch”, a four-step process to bring more awareness
• Connecting to your senses to help get out of the head
• Harnessing creativity by increasing your curiosity 
• Making tiny changes to create momentum
• Experiencing awe

Resources mentioned in this episode:

• Turning Failure into Success: 3 Principles of Radical Simplicity TEDx Talk
• Feel-Good Productivity by Ali Abdaal
• Into the Magic Shop by James R. Doty

Want to keep the conversation going? Join me on Instagram @ninetypesco to keep learning and chatting about how our types show up in REAL LIFE! Connect with me here: https://www.instagram.com/ninetypesco/?hl=en

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Want to keep learning about the Enneagram? Grab Steph’s new book, Enneagram in Real Life! Find the book, ebook, or audiobook wherever books are sold.

On this week’s episode of Enneagram IRL, we meet with Dani Cooper, a Certified Enneagram Teacher, Coach, and totally-biased cheerleader for individuals, couples, and teams who want to find out who they really are and grow beyond the armor of their Enneagram types.  She is the author of the book, The Enneagram for Christian Couples, which came out in 2022. Her life's work is learning how to love herself as a messy, imperfect and absolutely enough human person.

Book a session with Dani here!

🔗 Connect with Dani Cooper!

💻 https://www.deepwatersenneagram.com/

📷 Instagram: @deepwatersenneagram

🔗 Connect with Steph!

💻 https://ninetypes.co/

📷 Instagram: @ninetypesco

🎥Youtube: @stephbarronhall

Here are the key takeaways:

• Diving into Dani’s background
• “Without knowledge of self, there is no knowledge of God”
• Dani’s AHA moments when typing as a One
• “I’m not perfect enough to be a perfectionist” 
• Typing as the one-to-one subtype
• Perspectives within their relationships from one-to-one subtypes
• “With awareness, we get to choose. Without awareness, you just react.”
• Growing up with negative messaging
• How do you measure what’s “appropriate?”
• What has Dani learned from working with clients?
• Dani’s advice for those starting a self-discovery journey
• How to connect with Dani

Resources mentioned in this episode:

• The Dance of the Dissident Daughter by Sue Monk Kidd
• The Book of Longings: A Novel by Sue Monk Kidd
• The Wisdom of Your Body by Hillary L. McBride

Want to keep learning about the Enneagram? Grab Steph’s new book, Enneagram in Real Life! Find the book, ebook, or audiobook wherever books are sold.

On this week’s episode of Enneagram IRL, we meet with Tyler Zach, author and certified Enneagram coach with 18 years of experience coaching students, adults, couples, and business teams. He has grown a vibrant community of over 47K Enneagram enthusiasts on his Instagram account @GospelForEnneagram. He is writing a faith-based 40-day devotional for every Enneagram type which you can grab on Amazon.com. 

To test drive your type's book, download a free 5-day devotional on his website at https://www.tylerzach.com/free.  

🔗 Connect with Tyler Zach!

💻 https://www.tylerzach.com

📷 Instagram: @GospelForEnneagram

🎥 Youtube: @gospelforenneagram

📱 Facebook: @gospelforenneagram

🐦 X/Twitter: @gospelforgram

🔗 Connect with Steph!

💻 https://ninetypes.co/

📷 Instagram: @ninetypesco

🎥Youtube: @stephbarronhall

Here are the key takeaways:

• My mom follows Tyler’s Instagram
• How we (as Threes) sometimes mistype ourselves based on how we want to be
• Making the decision to leave ministry
• Loss of identity and identity work as a Three
• Changing his perspective from his previous ideas (Joke about Wayne Grudem, IYKYK)
• Opening up to different perspectives of himself and who God is
• How we use our types to harm others unintentionally, and how the Enneagram can improve our relationships
• Sixes as protectors
• Feeling like we’re drowning as Threes when we try to slow down
•  The EnneaSummit: how it came to be and why Tyler is excited about it
• Tip for Threes: Practice slowing down. It doesn’t feel great at first, but it’s necessary.

Resources mentioned in this episode:

• The EnneaSummit: Love & Relationships Edition
• Tyler’s History of the Enneagram Course https://www.tylerzach.com/history 
• The Road Back to You by Ian Morgan Cron and Suzanne Stabile
• Enneagram 2.0 Podcast by Beatrice Chestnut and Uranio Paes
• Facets of Unity by AH Almaas (the book Steph mentions on Holy Ideas)
• Here on a Mission by Donald Miller

Want to keep learning about the Enneagram? Grab Steph’s new book, Enneagram in Real Life! Find the book, ebook, or audiobook wherever books are sold.