In this week’s episode I’m sitting down with Coach, Mentor and mum of two Karina McKenna.

Karina was just 23 years old when she gave up drinking and has spent the past 13 years navigating how to do life sober.

In this conversation Karina shares how she’s managed to face adversity without anything to blunt the edges and the lessons she’s learnt in the messiness of life.

We dove into a range of topics including:

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You can find Karina on Instagram: @kjaymck

If you or someone you know if struggling with mental health or addiction, please reach out for support. Some support options include:

• A healthcare professional

• Alcoholics Anonymous

• Lifeline or Beyond Blue (Australia)

• CheckPoint (global)

• Butterfly Foundation

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