In this episode I sit down with guest cohost Cass Zimmerman for a real conversation about MAHA, the healthcare system, and where the middle ground actually lives between modern western medicine and the holistic side of fitness and nutrition. We rift, we talk some shit, we laugh, and we give you a few insights along the way. This one is laid back, honest, and exactly the kind of conversation you'd expect when two friends get behind the mic.

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