In this episode, Patrick Casale and Dr. Nathalie Edmond, psychologist, mindfulness expert, published author, and more, talk about her incredible journey publishing “Mindful Race Talk.” They dive into why honest, vulnerable conversations about race and identity are needed in every organization, how creative grit can see you through the ups and downs of self-publishing, and why balancing compassion with accountability truly matters. If you’re an entrepreneur or team leader committed to growth, this is your reminder: lean into the conversations that scare you, and turn your message into impact.

Here are 3 key takeaways:

1. Vulnerability is necessary for growth: Sharing your work—especially on tough topics—means navigating vulnerability, imperfection, and even critique. “How do I capture the way that I am in a workshop?” Nathalie asks. Authenticity shines when you let go of perfection.
2. Balance compassion with accountability: The “dance in between” is crucial. Effective anti-racism work isn’t about shaming or silencing—but meeting people with curiosity, compassion, and honest challenge, even when conversations get messy.
3. Creative projects bring new challenges and rewards: Self-publishing a book brought unexpected hurdles—especially in the final stages. But staying focused on impact, rather than perfection or popularity, drove Nathalie to push through.

More about Nathalie:

Dr. Nathalie Edmond is a licensed clinical psychologist and mindfulness and yoga teacher with over twenty years of experience as a trauma therapist integrating mind, body, and spirit. She has led hundreds of hours of racial literacy and antiracism workshops. She believes that racial justice is a spiritual practice. She has been a director of a women's trauma program, co-host of Rest and Awaken podcast, adjunct faculty, and a JEDI (justice, equity, diversity, and inclusion) consultant. She facilitates Antiracism Revolution, an online membership community where aspiring antiracists continue to explore themselves as racial beings and work towards collective liberation. She is the director of Villanova University's counseling center and the owner of a group practice called Mindful and Multicultural Counseling. 

• Access all of Dr. Nathalie Edmond's resources here: linktr.ee/drnatedmond
• Dr. Nathalie Edmond's book: drnatedmond.com/mindful-race-talk-book.html

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All Things Private Practice has some amazing retreat experiences coming up in 2025 and 2026. Join us in Edinburgh, Scotland for the second Doubt Yourself, Do It Anyway Summit from July 14th to 17th, 2025! We have an incredible lineup of 12 speakers and offer 12 MBCCEs. If you're a leader or aspiring to start a group practice, join our Leadership Retreat in Chania, Crete, from September 6th to 11th. In 2026, we have two retreats in Queenstown, New Zealand. The first is for Neurodivergent Entrepreneurs from March 1st to 8th, and the second retreat, Beyond Private Practice, focuses on moving beyond one-on-one therapy and creating alternative income streams from March 15th to 22nd. Spaces are limited, so check the links to sign up today. Doubt yourself, do it anyway!

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Leadership Retreat in Chania, Crete: https://www.empoweredescapes.com/greece-retreat-2025

Neurodivergent Entrepreneurs in Queenstown, New Zealand: https://www.allthingspractice.com/new-zealand-neurodivergent

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Building and managing the practice you want can be challenging. That’s why Alma offers tools and resources to help you build not just any practice, but your private practice. They’ll help you navigate insurance, access referrals who are the right fit for you, and efficiently manage administrative tasks — so you can spend less time on the details, and more time delivering great care. You support your clients. Alma supports you. Visit helloalma.com/ATPP to learn more.