Tawny gives Lisa an update on her changing relationship with substances, which she wrote about in her recent newsletter. They talk about her discovery of plant medicine and its benefits for her. They also talk harm reduction and stigma. For both Tawny and Lisa, it all comes down to the fact that one day at a time is the only approach that actually works – how we show up today and how we react to today are the only things we can control. 

Music Minute features Sheryl Crow, David Bowie and INXS.

Check out GRASS: Green Recovery Support Group. 

Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze

Sign up for "Beyond Liquid Courage"

Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)

Sign up for Nonfiction Book Proposal 101 with Tawny here.

Sign up for Tawny’s Nonfiction Book Proposal Boot Camp here.

Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar