Tawny and Lisa are taking a summer break from the podcast, but encore episodes will air until they’re back in September. They talk about how it feels to pause and what they’ll be doing. It’s an opportunity for play and a chance to reset and reflect. But giving themselves time off brings up different emotions for both of them. They go deep on their feelings about routines, financial insecurity, and perfection.

Music Minute features Sheryl Crow, The White Stripes, and Eminem

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City girls love nature, too! Tawny and Lisa talk about the role it plays in their recoveries. Spending time in nature is linked to both cognitive benefits and improvements in mood, mental health and emotional well-being. But you can also bring nature into the home with herbs, plants, flowers or anything that connects with you. And nature is not just the mountains or the ocean – it can be anywhere you feel connected, like a dog park in the city!

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Music Minute features Michael Jackson, Rolling Stones, Creedence Clearwater Revival, and Soundgarden

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Tawny and Lisa talk about the power of being with people in person, including on their recent travels. What’s different when we’re off the screens? How do we motivate ourselves when it feels easier to just stay home? Can we find the flexibility to pick up the phone when it’s not on the calendar? And how do we manage our energy budgets when sometimes the juice just isn’t there? Hint: Phone a friend!

Music Minute features Blondie, Lionel Richie, Adele and The Police

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Chris Marshall, founder of Sans Bar, the first non-alcoholic bar in North America, wrote a book! Faster Than Light covers Chris’ journey, shaped by early childhood trauma, from being a young Black man in an affluent Texas suburb to rising as a leader in the recovery community. He talks with Tawny and Lisa about the writing process and entrepreneurism. Then they dig into Sans Bar, Sans Bar Academy, and Chris’ role in sparking a movement rooted in authentic, alcohol-free connection. The moral of the story: Don’t rush it!

Music Minute features Explosions in the Sky and Hamilton Soundtrack

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Tiffany Jenkins, the bestselling author of High Achiever, is here! She’s out with a new can’t-put-it-down memoir, A Clean Mess. It chronicles her life after addiction—the raw, the dark, and the hilarious—from setting out with nothing but a backpack to discovering her marriage was built on a shakier foundation than she’d ever imagined to staying sober when life fell apart. She talks with Tawny and Lisa about asking for help, connection with a sober community, gratitude, and sharing her story publicly.

Music Minute features Blue October

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Tawny spent a week teaching a writing course in Dublin, followed by a long weekend pursuing Parisian pleasure. She talks about the impact of her trip, both on her recovery and her art. With the pressure off, she immersed herself in being present on the trip, and new ideas emerged. Tawny’s carrying the vibe of the trip into her everyday now, including redesigning her office to reflect how she feels on the inside. They also discuss Dublin’s thriving non-alcoholic drink scene. Guinness 0 on tap everywhere!

Music Minute features Jim Morrison, Lorde, and Janet Jackson

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Tawny and Lisa talk with Carl Erik Fisher, an addiction physician, bioethicist, person in recovery, and author of The Urge: Our History of Addiction. Carl recently wrote a powerful essay, The Price We Pay Betting on Sports, for The New York Times. They talk about sports betting, how it’s changed with 24/7 online availability and cultural normalization, as well as the associated risks and ways to address them.

Music Minute features audiobooks, EPIC: The Musical, and The Odyssey 

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What a dangerous time we live in when the President personally attacks artists for speaking against America’s current fascist regime. The Boss (Bruce Springsteen) spoke truth to power at a recent London show while Taylor Swift weathered another round of the President’s weird obsession with her. Tawny and Lisa talk about why they love both artists and how their music has impacted their recoveries. They discuss everything from Ryan Adams covering 1989 to Springsteen’s inspiration from Woody Guthrie and Pete Seeger. And shout out to Neil Young, Eddie Vedder, Jack Antonoff, and all the artists out there speaking up!

Music Minute features both artists!

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Tawny and Lisa talk about all things sober summer. Going on vacation or to parties where there will be booze and maybe pressure to drink? They’ve got you covered. Staying home without plans? They’ve got you covered, too. They share tips, tools, and options to make the most of the sunny season.

Music Minute features Sublime, Lana Del Ray, Dirty Head. Bananarama and Talking Heads

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Tawny and Lisa are both experiencing new challenges in their work due to the fascist administration. It’s gotten much harder for Tawny to do her many jobs (working with a non-profit, academic public speaking, writing) under MAGA 2.0. Lisa shares some recent changes in the legal field and how she’s choosing to be on the right side of history. They also discuss how this new list of “banned words” impacts science, research, and people in recovery.

Music Minute features Missing Persons and The Who

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