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Tawny and Lisa interviewed actor, writer, and director Zach Braff! A Good Person, his latest film, is a gripping story of addiction, grief, and moving on. It stars Florence Pugh, Morgan Freeman, and Molly Shannon. The three of them discuss writing about addiction and grief, sober curiosity, how hobbies can help folks in recovery, and more.

Music Minute features the role of music in Zach’s work. (We recommend the iconic soundtrack to his 2004 movie, Garden State!)


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Tawny and Lisa talk with Melissa Urban, the co-founder and CEO of Whole30 and an authority on helping people create lifelong healthy habits. She is a seven-time New York Times best-selling author, and her books have sold millions of copies in 20 languages. She lives in Salt Lake City, Utah, with her husband, son, and a poodle named Henry. Melissa is also in long-term recovery and the author of one of Recovery Rocks’ favorite books, The Book of Boundaries.   

Music Minute features experiences and hiking to Chet Baker and Taylor Swift.

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Tawny and Lisa talk with Shirah Benarde, CEO and Co-Founder of NightCap, a line of multi-purpose drink spiking prevention products. When she was just 16-years old, the idea for NightCap came to Shirah in a dream after hearing about the horrors of drink spiking from friends who experienced it. By 2021, NightCap was featured on ABC’s Shark Tank series, striking one of the fastest deals in the history of the show.

Music Minute features jazz and The Police. 

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Watch the special video convo here! Our card deck is available for pre-order! We’re so excited! The deck comprises 50 cards, with a glossary and additional resources, that offers guidance and inspiration for anyone rethinking their relationship with alcohol.

We’ve loaded it with practical tools and inspirational prompts to help you conquer the challenges and embrace the joys of a booze-free life. The deck contains countless tips and tricks for getting through early sobriety, finding your sober community, navigating triggering environments, dating, and making space to celebrate all the milestones you reach along your journey.
 
You can use the deck in any way you like – pull a card as a daily practice, consult one before a night out with friends, respond to the prompts in your journal, or keep the deck handy for support on the go. Whether you’re participating in Dry January or celebrating 20 years of being alcohol-free, this deck is a fun, nonjudgmental resource for living your absolute best sober life.

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Tawny and Lisa talk with Anna Goldfarb a journalist, author and speaker. Called “The New York Times’ friendship correspondent”, Anna’s work explores the nuances of friendships, relationships, and pop psychology. They talk about making friends, keeping friends, and approaching friendship with empathy.  Her new book, Modern Friendship: How to Nurture Our Most Valued Connections, is available everywhere. 

Music Minute features Bossa Nova, Queen, and the Rembrandts.

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Tawny and Lisa talk about how the 24/7 news cycle, algorithmically designed to spark extreme reactions, can make us feel overwhelmed and sometimes hopeless. They go back to their sobriety tool kits to not only keep them sober, but to reset their thinking. This includes remembering where they are in the moment, reminding themselves of what they can and can’t control, connecting locally, doing service for others, and escaping into movies and books. 

Music Minute features System of a Down.

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Tawny and Lisa talk about addiction as a family disease. Whether it’s with your birth family or your chosen family (or both!), healing individually and as unit can break cycles of addiction and unhealthy behaviors. They both talk about their experiences with their families and how it’s an imperfect journey that never really ends.

Music Minute features Sister Sledge, Everclear, The Killers and Billie Eilish.

Find support at Al-Anon and Co-Dependents Anonymous. 

Tawny recommends these books on boundaries and codependency: The Origins of You, Set Boundaries, Find Peace, The Book of Boundaries

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A recent article in The New York Times discussed two recent studies that cast doubt on whether large-scale mental health interventions are making young people better. But most specialists in adolescent mental health still agree that lack of access to treatment is the biggest problem young people face, along with the damage social media can do. Tawny and Lisa discuss all this with therapist Amanda White, LPC and author of  Not Drinking Tonight: A Guide to Creating a Sober Life You Love. 

Music Minute features Taylor Swift.

Check out Amanda’s website, find her on Instagram and sign up for her Fence Sitter Substack. 

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Tawny and Lisa talk with composer Melissa Dunphy, an award-winning composer who specializes in vocal, political, and theatric music. Her work includes, LISTEN (2019), two choral movements set to testimony by Anita Hill in 1991 and Christine Blasey Ford in 2018. They talk about creating art as a tool for healing trauma and understanding ourselves. Creating art is for everyone, whether you consider yourself an artist or not.

Music Minute features classical music, opera, and a lot of Nine Inch Nails.

Check out Melissa’s website and her podcast, The Boghouse. 

Check out this easy-to-read book about classical music.

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Tawny and Lisa talk to Emmy Jo, an indie-soul pop musician based in New York City. Emmy Jo's first viral moment came with her Spotify single "yellow year". Her music, self-dubbed "sad girl bangers," creates a space where melancholy meets infectious beats, inviting listeners to share in the collective human experience. They get into mental health, her influences, and going viral on Tik Tok.

Music Minute features Emmy Jo’s M.A.D.I., Sara Bareilles, Adele, and Amy Winehouse.

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