Tawny and Lisa talk about the power of being with people in person, including on their recent travels. What’s different when we’re off the screens? How do we motivate ourselves when it feels easier to just stay home? Can we find the flexibility to pick up the phone when it’s not on the calendar? And how do we manage our energy budgets when sometimes the juice just isn’t there? Hint: Phone a friend!

Music Minute features Blondie, Lionel Richie, Adele and The Police

Order The Sobriety Deck 

Listen to The Sobriety Deck Playlist by Hannah Gardner

Sign up for Tawny’s Writing Classes

Order Tawny’s book, DRY HUMPING: A Guide to Dating, Relating, and Hooking Up Without the Booze

Subscribe to Tawny's newsletter  "Beyond Liquid Courage"

Order Tawny’s new NA drink, (parentheses)

Purchase Lisa’s memoir, Girl Walks Out of a Bar