In this conversation, Jackie Pack and Erin Snow delve into the complexities of betrayal trauma, the impact of enmeshment on male clients, and the importance of authenticity in recovery. They explore the complexities of recovery from addiction, the impact of childhood trauma, and the importance of building supportive relationships. They discuss mother enmeshment, attachment, and the role of core beliefs in shaping one's identity, emphasizing the journey of self-discovery and the integration of sexuality and spirituality in healing.