One of the hardest challenges we face as humans is finding belonging, especially when we feel like we don’t fit in. People of faith don’t always get it right. Even though our intention is to say “all are welcome” in our churches, sometimes we miss the mark. On today’s episode, Jen talks with a faith leader who is leading the charge toward a different kind of faith space—founder of MOSAIC, Erwin McManus. After overcoming a rough past, for decades Erwin has been creating a community that fosters a true sense of belonging, a safe place for people who might be pushed to the margins in a traditional church—i.e. those who have big questions about their faith, or those who are just processing the concept of Jesus in an environment where the pressure to “make a commitment” is taken off and the teachings of Jesus are presented without a laundry list of other “sanctioned beliefs.” Erwin is one of our most creative thinkers in the faith, and today he opens up to Jen about working toward mental health, and why it’s so important to get a handle on what drains you and what replenishes you—AKA “energy management”—so that you can use your gifts and maximize your effectiveness. Above all else, Erwin’s goal is to embrace people as they are so that they can, in turn, embrace God.