Lisa talks to her right hand woman, Out of the Cave’s very first employee, Alé Cardinalle, MSW, about her own personal story around food, eating, and body image, as well as her journey from diet culture, to anti-diet culture, and ultimately to Out of the Cave, and Lisa.

Topics Include:

[5:15] Alé talks about her awareness and sort of obsessive thoughts around body size and image  began

[8:35] How the early 2000s beauty standards led Alé to dangerous  restrictive  behaviors

[12:15] Alé goes to inpatient treatment for PTSD and major depression and loses a significant amount of weight and for fear of gaining it back asked to be prescribed adderall

[21:15]  After major weight loss, followed by major weight gain, Alé finds intuitive eating and when that wasn’t quite the  fix she hoped for, Lisa fell into her life while they were both Master of Social Work Students at NYU

[32:15] Alé goes into detail about her personal experience with the anti-diet movement

[44:15] What spirituality means to Alé, and how learning to trust herself and tell the truth have been integral components to her healing journey around food, eating, and body image

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