Lucas spent years building service businesses from scratch. A painting company. A janitorial firm. Steady growth, solid teams, real revenue.

But what happens when the business no longer feels like freedom?

In this episode, Lucas sits down with Mike to unpack what most entrepreneurs never talk about—what it really takes to grow something valuable, and how to know when it’s time to let go.

You’ll hear honest lessons about starting scrappy, letting go of perfection, hiring before you’re ready, and redefining success after the exit.

This isn’t just about painting or cleaning. It’s about building a business that serves your life.

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