When Sara Jane opens up about the loss of her mother at 21, she turns to world-renowned therapist Dr. Laura Berman—who herself lost her teenage son—to talk about something we all experience but rarely know how to handle: grief.

From Chinese ancestor rituals to the science of how grief affects the body, they dive into what it really means to mourn, to heal, and to keep loving after loss. This is an episode for anyone who’s lost someone, or loves someone who has.