Gretchen Rubin (@gretchenrubin) returns to the podcast to talk to me about her new book Outer Order Inner Calm and how a taking control of our stuff can make us feel more in control of our lives.

Gretchen also hosts the podcast Happier with Gretchen Rubin.

Gretchen's other books:

Better Than Before.

The Happiness Project.

The Four Tendencies - and here's her appearance on this podcast talking about that book: Gretchen Rubin | The Four Tendencies.

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