The Covert Narcissism Podcast

Guilt vs Shame: The Emotional Crossroads That Defines Healing, guest Dr. Anthony Mazzella


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Part two of a 4 part series on Guilt and Shame with guest, Dr. Anthony Mazzella, Psychotherapist & Host of The Narcissism Decoder Podcast

What if the guilt you carry… isn’t actually guilt at all?

In Part Two of this powerful conversation, Renee and Dr. Anthony Mazzella dive into the subtle but life-changing difference between guilt and shame—and why confusing the two can keep you stuck in cycles of self-blame, anxiety, and emotional paralysis.

You’ll learn:

  • Why guilt is actually a sign of emotional health—and a driver of change

  • How shame stunts growth while guilt motivates repair

  • The difference between healthy guilt, toxic guilt, and emotional manipulation

  • Why narcissists often fake guilt through apology—but never actually change

  • How to recognize when you're feeling shame, not guilt, and what to do about it

  • The role of empathy, boundaries, and emotional development in healing

  • Why we must give our pain words—and why shame so often lives unnamed

    If you’ve ever said, “I feel so guilty…” but couldn’t put your finger on why—or felt weighed down by an apology you can’t stop making—this episode is for you.

    This is the emotional fork in the road: one path leads to healing. The other keeps you stuck in someone else’s story.


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