Okay, welcome KBMD health fans and gut check project fans, it's time for COVID installment number two. These are the code files where essentially, myself and Dr. Brown, a co host we're going to address the latest in research for coronavirus as it applies to healthcare and our community. Dr. Brown, how are you doing?

You know I'm doing is I'm doing well considering the state of how a lot of people are probably struggling through this process. Once again, the COVID files I think you and I really enjoy joking around and stuff, but this is not something that I want to joke around with today. So the show right now we're becoming much more sciency than we've ever been. And it is because I want to make sure that anything we discuss has a reference to it. So let's begin by saying that this is a show and not intended to treat diagnose anyone. I'm a medical doctor. With the current state of anxiety I'm trying to sift through hundreds of articles being published daily because this is a global problem. And I am fortunate enough to have our secret weapon which this week I was on Dr. Chang Raun's in Darrel Hill summit with Dr. Hyman and some other incredible people, Dr. Pompa, Dr. O'Brien and all these people and I, I told them all that Angie Cook is our secret weapon. And then on the CBOE SOS summit yesterday with Chevonne Sarna, I let it drop again. So Angie, thank you so much for working hard and diligently with me to try and get through all of this literature. Cats out of the bag. She is a certified nutritionist and Rn one of the smartest people I've ever met, and she sent me this email right before we went on. Today the numbers are staggering and the stories of what our healthcare workers are facing is heartbreaking. Please be careful. So what we're going to talk about today is mind blowing, to be honest. And I'm just going to be honest. In the sense this is no, this is not opinion. This is not based off of anxiety, or based...this is strictly the science. And this is not the time that I want to, I want to be perceived as I mean, because one of the concerns Eric, you and I've talked about this, I want to shout everything that I've learned from the rooftops, but I don't want to come off as somebody that's saying that I want to try and make money off of this particular crisis. That's not at all what I'm trying to do here. What I'm trying to do is show you the science. So that being said, I've got so much new information. Last time on our COVID one files, we're going to say how we're going to talk about what you can do with lifestyle and supplements. We're still gonna do that. Absolutely. And I actually learned a lot from being on Chang Raun's summit. You can look that up. It's Raun, Chang Raun. Some of his experts are functional medicine experts that understand the supplements better than I do. And I took notes while I was there. And I was a panelist on that. And the stuff that I talked about was really well received by his panelists as well. So everything is a moving target right now. So this is going to be I'm calling it a mic dropping show. Because if I don't get too geeky, and that's your job, Eric makes sure that I don't go into the weeds and be a nerd because I am a nerd to the nth degree. Angie and I have been nerding out crazy, like hair, you know, like reading articles and your hair just stands up because you're like, oh my gosh, there's no way this is here. Nobody else is talking about this. So if I come across here, and you're like, I've never heard of this. I feel like this it's because you're not spending 12 hours a day with the...a beast like Angie and I. She's uploaded over 20,000 articles to our Mendeley account. So I remember Dave Asprey when I listened to one of his podcasts. He's like, let me log into my Mandalay. I'm like, I wonder if his Mendeley is as big as my Mendeley, which is a repository of journal articles. So I'm super excited to get into this show. So that's my initial thoughts. That was my ramble. And I will, I will have everything else will be scientific data from here on out.

Well, let's go ahead and start there. So we last on episode one. Basically, we broke down the various aspects of what is coronavirus? How is it directly affecting and we even talked about the stresses on resources. But now on today's show, not only do we want to leave everyone kind of with an idea on what they can do to supplement their own diet and the day to day things that they could be doing to basically improve their immune system as well as basically weather the storm better. Well, let's get a little bit more into the science of what's been some of the more recent data that I know that you and Angie shared because we've we've had a lot of conversations between last show, you going and doing now virtual clinic, me going and having meetings on transitioning the ASC over to possibly new ICU rooms, which is something we've never had to do before. So I'll let you kind of take it away there.

Yeah. So you know, this is this is daily. It's hourly changing, let's be honest, and this is a global problem. So there's so many studies coming in what I think that makes us a little bit unique on the gut check project, is what we're doing is we're looking at the the data being published right now. 2020, late March, everything's been published, but then because of trying to link it to the 2003 we are able to look at articles back then also, because the SARS COV-2 virus structurally is extremely similar to the SARS first virus the COV. So a lot of these articles are a transitioning like that, where you can say that this is this and then because of that the links allowed us to find other things. So, a lot of what I'm going to talk about is preprints, meaning that I have access to articles that aren't even in publication yet. But the scientists are so passionate about it, that they're just sending it out. A lot of it comes from China because they have the most experience. I believe that when we did our first COV files last week, I don't know what was their 160,000 cases, something like that. I don't remember.

Yeah, they confirmed and that's that's a pretty important thing. So we talked about that last week to confirm just because we're increasing confirm number doesn't necessarily mean Doomsday. It's just that we're able to actually confirm that a number of people actually have it. However, it does become a data point that we need to reconcile with. 

And we will yeah, we can we can get into that. But I just want to tell you I just looked about an hour ago and right now, the confirmed cases are 577,495. 

Mm hmm. 

That has jumped a bunch. There has been 26,447 deaths. I'm getting a lot of emails from healthcare workers who, when these patients are funneled to one institution, like my hospital, that institution, those health care workers are putting themselves on the front line. They are, they are the heroes. They are defending all of us by taking care of this and I just want to say thank you to every healthcare worker that is working shiftwork, that is in hospital, because you are the frontline of this and many times you don't even know if the person you're treating has this extremely virulent virus virulent being very contagious. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Yeah, without question. Thank you. 

Now, I this is not a doomsday podcast at all. In fact, to the contrary, what this is going to be is a complete bright light on this whole viral pandemic. I feel like we have spent this whole time figuring or looking at data and piecing together things that will bring hope to everyone. And that's what this podcast is going to be: how do you actually protect yourself? This is based off science. This is based off a bench research. I understand that some doctors would say, well, we need a randomized placebo control trial. We are not in an era right now where we need to do that. I understan...

All right, welcome KBMD Health and Gut Check Project bring you COVID Files, episode number one. It's a little bit different setting right now. I am not sitting in front of or next to Ken Brown my partner. What's up, Ken?

What's going on Eric? Yeah, you sound a little bit different, but that's all part of it. We are practicing some social distancing.

We definitely are. Brown does have a nice brick wall behind him. And I've kind of got one back over here. So if you happen to be looking on YouTube, you can see we've got a wild lamp. 

Yeah, just in case just in case somebody accuses us of lying. There's two brick walls.

Yeah, there's there's definitely two two brick walls. So Brown is...Ken you're sittin' what about 60 miles from me? And but we both been having to stay up to date with the facilities that we served the anesthesia you and gastroenterology you could call it a hospital that's actually handled a patient.

We had our first death two days ago from COVID 19. So this is a real thing. I was working in the hospital. This is something that I felt like, it's time although I'm not a virologist, you're not a virologist. Neither one of us are epidemiologists, we do have an obligation as healthcare workers to try and describe everything that we've been reading to get it out to people. So this is something that we cannot ignore meaning as a opportunity and a platform to give some information. Hopefully, we can give something that anybody watching this will at least clarify a few things. That's my goal here is to discuss some of the definitions get into what we're going to look at, should we panic, should we not panic? where's this going? All the things that I asked? Because I spent a lot of time looking at literature, we've got graduate students working for us, we've got nurses working for us, that look up a lot of things. So that's what I want to do in this show today is try and discuss all of it out there. Because the more informed you are, the more that you will be part of the solution. That's the important thing, and realistic, and a healthy amount of fear is appropriate. But not freaking out is the key here.

I agree 100%. And something else I've been home just like you have and in between taking care of work and then keeping up with work. And then obviously, having a great amount of family time while being in a social quarantine, you end up consuming a lot of different information. So what I don't want our show today to be is just the personal emotional things only really we want to do exactly what Brown said. And that is move into information that you can use. Top to bottom, we want to explain things from the top level down so that we can we want to get everybody into understanding. There's unfortunately because it's a new novel virus. There's lots of misinformation in terms of what does it do? How is it affecting us and rather than take a guess I think that what Ken has for you here today is lots of up to date information, we're going to try to put it into a, a mode that you can use, accept and improve and protect yourself.

Because I think what ends up happening is a lot of people, especially people that are trying to quarantine themselves, or they're staying at home, they do binge social media mediaing Is that right? Where they just kind of get on social media and just binge all of it? And it seems like if you look at that, there's going to be two camps of people. You've got the oh, what's the big deal? Nothing's going on. And I see these videos in Florida where people are playing tug of war on the beach, and there's hundreds of people and I'm just like, ph my goodness. And then it's the no, we're in a zombie apocalypse and they, you know, take all the toilet paper and hand sanitizer from the stores. So the only thing I've learned from that is that apparently zombies really hate toilet paper is the best I can tell about that. 

They can't stand it.

They can't stand it. So the zombie apocalypse if that's the case, throw toilet paper at them. Unlike Walking Dead where you have to like smash them in the brain apparently toilet paper is the biggest defense that you can have against zombie apocalypse. 

Yeah, we don't this is not this is not an avenue the COVID File Episode One is not an avenue to drive people to go and make a bunch of unnecessary purchases or to go in and hoard things that your neighbor needs. So this is let's stay factual. And honestly, Brian, I'm going to kick it off to you and let you kind of lay out the template now outline on how we're going to address the different things and

Yeah so you know, normally, I mean, one of the things that I really like to do on Gut Check Project because, you know, joke around and make light of things but I'm having a really hard time making light of this particular thing. So I am neither in the camp that this is oh, what's the big deal and I'm not in the zombie apocalypse, but I do really think that we all need to take this particular thing extremely serious, and we need to get into it. One of the things that I've noticed is a lot of people have trouble with the different terms that are being used in the news. I mean, they get on press conferences, and they just throw these terms out. How is this changing the world? I mean, there are single moms that are waitresses that their restaurant it has been closed. And this is there's a lot of things going on like that. And I've actually, I knew that we were onto something when I've been trying to get an infectious disease doctor to come on the Gut Check project that physically come on for it really kind of ramped up here in the US, and a few of them were like, nah, I'm good. I think I'm gonna lay low and try and separate myself. And, you know, they basically said, you're on your own on this and I'm like, okay, so this is, I'm gonna have to learn about this myself. And I just want to share the information that I have uncovered about my concerns. And so my concerns are what are all these different terms after we get that, you know, how do you actually present? What's going on with the numbers? What are these numbers real? How infective is this? And then I want to get into some good news about what's going on. And that's where a lot of the research is happening. So we can talk about all these things. Because when I asked my nurses, hey, these different terms, what do these mean to you? Most people don't really get it because CNN, and Fox and these different news stations, they interchange all these names. And so let's start with that. Let's learn the four virus related terms so that everybody's on the same page, because when you read medical literature, they refer to it as one way when you listen to the news, they refer to it, and then they lump everything into COVID19. So let's just start with this. So the definitions, SARS, CoV2, so when people when scientists talk about this, they always talk about as the SARS CoV2, you'll hear infectious disease doctors refer to it as that. It is a type of Corona virus. In the beginning when everybody kept saying this is a Corona virus virus you Google it and I remember I've had friends and stuff go, what's the big deal? It causes a cold like symptom. Well, the thing is, that's a family of viruses, the Corona the reason why when they first came out, they said this was a novel Corona virus, which was not the word that they should have used. That is the word that infectious disease doctors would say they should have said we have a scary Corona virus here. That would have been catching people's attention a little bit more but novel Corona virus meant that it was a different type of coronavirus. So in that family this Corona virus is the SARS CoV2 two because it is a SARS meaning as severe acute respiratory Syndrome type Corona virus like SARS CoV nothing in 2003. That's how come these names are so confusing. So it's SARS CoV2 is ...

All right, it is now time for episode number 35. We are here at the Gut Check Project. I'm Eric Rieger with your host Dr. Ken Brown. We've got someone special here today right between us.

Well, we are in some place special. 

We are.

We're not in our home base.

We aren't in the home base.

We are in a basement in Austin. 

We are.

Because we heard that this special guy, Ron Klabunde, the founder of Replenish Foundation and Generosity Feeds which you and I are huge fans. 

Definitely.

You took your family to go do that. We went and did that. And what he's doing is amazing. And we decided to do a mobile show here. We had the opportunity to track him down. He's busy. He's an important person.

Ron. Obviously we're going to introduce you-the founder as Replenish Foundation as well as Generosity Feeds but we came down here specifically for an event that you're hosting. Without further ado, Ron, just kick it off and then we're going to after you tell us what we're doing here today, we're going to back it up on how you even got here.

Sounds good. So tonight, we are bringing the who's who of Austin together highly curated group of 100 people. And basically we're going to party on purpose we call it POP Austin "party on purpose." Too many parties happen it's just a party, right? What if we bring some meaning to that because all of us are looking for more meaning in life. So we've got the top people in Austin coming together to party on purpose. Obviously we know when the right people are in the room magic happens.

Definitely. 

Happens from a business standpoint happens interpersonally. And then there's the purpose side. So tonight, now what you guys don't even know is that you're showing up and everyone there is going to have a chance to create about 2,500 meals for local kids struggling with hunger. 

And then flow in the middle of the party. 

Oh, that's awesome.

That's awesome. 

And then on top of that, we're working to raise $60,000 tonight to help to help feed 50,000 children across America who are struggling with hunger and empower 64,000 volunteers that we're already working with, as an ongoing force for good. So there's our purpose side: party on...

Say that one more time. So tonight, this party that we're all gonna have fun at, everybody's...

Live band...everything.

It's gonna be entrepreneurs coming together, talking, sharing ideas, but you're going to feed how many people you're going to raise how much money and this is a party on purpose. I love that. 

Yeah, yeah. So there will be about 2,500 meals created tonight throughout the course of the night. And then, and then we're raising money to help feed 50,000 children in 29 states across America, and then empower our 64,000 volunteers is an ongoing force for good.

So we can't emphasize this enough here. So Ron and...Ken and I met Ron around a year ago through the Baby Bathwater network. And not long after we ran into each other you invited Ken and I to participate in the Dallas Generosity Feeds and we looked at it and we thought, have no idea what this is. And just like Ken said, I was able to get my family-his was actually out of town playing tennis. But loaded the kids up, met Ken. My wife and I we got together and we packed 11,000 meals in about an hour and 20 minutes.

That's dead on.

And it goes to it went to all those kiddos who simply correct me if I'm wrong, but they don't get meals on the weekend. They happen to be on a free lunch Monday through Friday right? But they don't have anywhere to turn for the food so kind of tell us a little bit about Generosity Feed.

So, Generosity Feeds is kind of our...it is our premier initiative. It's what gave us influence and credibility across the country. It's It's why we have 64,000 volunteers today and we've helped feed over 170,000 children across America. I mean, it's crazy what's happened in...with this deal. And I can certainly give you the backstory on how that even started at some point here but but yeah, you came to our event in Dallas, by the way, our first event in Dallas.

Oh, nice. 

Oh, was it?

Yeah, our first event our first event there with you. And 11,000 meals created in less than two hours. You probably had about 300 people at that one event alone.

That was...we were packed.

So that was the thing that I was super impressed. I showed up. Everybody there showed up kind of deer in the headlights like, what do we do? And you just you have one thing in common? We're all here to help. So people are like, Hi, I'm Joe. Hi. I'm so and so. These are my kids. This is my wife. He's like, yeah, we're here to help feed some people. Everybody had the same mission. It was so cool. Because suddenly you have a purpose.

Yeah, a shared purpose. 

A shared purpose. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, and the beauty of this is it's these 300 people are coming from all aspects of the city. This is the business sector coming together with the nonprofit sector coming together with the local schools. And you probably even had some, some some politicians standing in the room. It but it goes further than that. Then you have people of all ages. You have kids with you-kids as young as three, sometimes moms or dads carrying the child on their chest, right as they're creating meals. And then we've had we had a lady up in Washington State 97 years old, helping start so it's crazy, right? But then it's beyond age, then it's it's the social economic difference. Because Ken you very likely were standing next to a single mom, whose child three weeks later was going to receive the meals that you were creating. 

Really? 

Yeah. And you didn't know it.

Did not know I talked, everybody that was standing next to me. We formed now the beauty is Generosity Feeds does a great job of the logistics of getting the food that's there. This is how we're going to pack this how we're going to do it. It's a well run business. 

Absolutely. 

It's a very well run business and we're going to get into this because to have a good nonprofit...

You better have a good business. 

You better have a good business. 

Well and I'll even add that it's good business for businesses to be a part of and I think I've shared this with you in the past and Ken you knew it but when we went to go and be a part of Generosity Feeds and of course I'm gonna say this several times because if you're ever interested and Generosity Feeds is appearing in your neck of the woods. Gather your friends and your family and go be a part of it. You'll spend two hours helping out tons and tons of kiddos who just simply need a meal.

Having fun. Music. 

Yeah, music. 

Dancing. 

Dancing.

It was fun! 

But, I had never been to a Mod Pizza and mod pizza happens to be one of the sponsors, title sponsors of everything Generosity Feeds does. Because of their involvement and the the fun and the giveback opportunity we had, I've been to Mod Pizza now probably eight or ten times in the last year and I'd never been there before. So I connect with the the business aspect of wanting to be a part of something good. And suddenly I found a good and worthy business that actually has gluten free pizza that my wife can eat. Because so it's, there's there's lots of reciprocity, if you want to be a part of an organization that gives back so if you're, if you're a company, pay attention, Ron's who you need to hook up with if you're interested.

That's why that's why we're here. Atrantil KBS research as a company, we're here to support you. Because we are trying to heal people's guts. Yeah. And you are trying to feed people.

And keep them full...

Eric Rieger  
Alright, we're going to get down to the gut check project starting on episode 34. It's gonna be a quick one, but you're gonna love it.

Ken Brown  
Yeah, we're gonna try and do this a little bit quicker because what I've gotten some feedback is when you guys get all sciency that sometimes it's it's cool to hear the fun stuff, but the reality is that the science gets a little geeky and it gets almost like a lecture. So I apologize to everyone out there if I've been some weird professor but so my only thing so let's do the personal stuff is your family good? 

Eric Rieger  
Family's Great! Awesome. 

Ken Brown  
My family's great also awesome. And that's up for the personal stuff. So like I said, I was called by a good friend, Tim, our good friend his father had... 

Eric Rieger  
Tim Power been on the show. 

Ken Brown  
Yeah, Tim power been on the show. His father had a stroke. And he messaged me and he said, Hey, man, my dad had a stroke, and they don't seem to be talking diet. They don't seem to talking supplements. He's in rehab. He's getting better. I'm doing my own stuff. I'm trying to fix this. But do you have any recommendations? And rather than just knee jerk and go, Oh, I'm going to go ahead and yeah, just do this and this and this. I started thinking about it. I went Holy cow, my hospital. Medical city Plano.

Eric Rieger  
Right. 

Ken Brown  
Is a level one trauma center and is designated as a magnet hospital for stroke, acute stroke rehabilitation. 

Eric Rieger  
Okay. 

Ken Brown  
So they have a whole team that if you show up with a stroke, it's just like a heart attack. They're badass. Yeah, they show up with like this team of interventional neurologists, and they get in there and they do all this stuff. So I'm sitting there. My quick side note, I'm picking up my family from Mexico, because Luke was just playing tennis. You know, that was the the personal part of it that we didn't get into, but just assume it's tennis. 

Eric Rieger  
Assume it's basketball.

Ken Brown  
Yeah. So I called. I called the stroke rehab unit. And I spoke with them with the nurse. The manager, nurse and she was so cool. She's like, She's like, hey, yeah, blah blah blah Yeah, we were our rates are this. This is the protocol. I'm like, what's a protocol for diet? We don't have one. What's protocol for supplements? We don't have one  i'm like, Oh my goodness, let's look at this. So I called our secret weapon. And I started to get into it and it's a much bigger bite to chew off then we can do in this sort of quick episode. So this quick episode, I want to just focus on the endocannabinoid system and stroke. Because what we do with stroke victims is that we basically do everything wrong. 

Eric Rieger  
I believe it. 

Ken Brown  
In the hospital. 

Eric Rieger  
Yeah. 

Ken Brown  
And when I asked him, like, what is the typical diet? She's like low fat. 

Eric Rieger  
What's the science behind that? 

Ken Brown  
Exactly. And we know that the carbohydrates increase inflammation and this and that. I'm like, Well, what else and she's like you had traditionally everybody gets put on a Staten, which causes some brain inflammation, because we're chasing numbers on cholesterol. Anyways, keep listening, because we're going to end up doing another episode on we're going to develop a protocol that I hope everybody adapts, and the nurse was like, that would be amazing. nobody's talking like that. Because everybody has this hammer. I mean, we bring these people in, they have a stroke. And one of the most important things is sleep and what do we do just disrupt sleep, check vitals blood sugar, and all this other stuff. So basically, we focus up we focus on all this stuff. So I called a couple neurologists, and was like, Hey, man, what's the or Hey, woman? I don't want to be sexist here. I'm like, Hey, what are we doing here? What's going on with the you guys are crushing it. So basically they focus on the awesomeness science of clotbusters like tpas and blood thinners. And then they rush in with this incredible technology that is amazing. Where they get in and they do like cardiac clot, like the same thing that the cardiologists have been doing. That they end up just sort of extracting these clots and they just crazy stuff. It works, but then they don't think about anything else,. So here a gut check project. I feel like we check our egos at the door and we look and go, how can we do things a little bit better? I feel like that this conversation that we're having could be the beginning of something bigger. Sure. I feel like we're missing a ton of stuff. This is not to bash traditional medicine at all. This is just a glorious example of how medicine save lives. But unfortunately, if all you have is a hammer then everything's a nail. So we're going to go ahead and look at that today. 

Eric Rieger  
Let's do it. 

Ken Brown  
I'm gonna do one brief thing. Because we always do in in the news, we always do our personal lives in the news, mostly because it's a win for me. So I'm just whenever I find news that is pertinent to me, I'll talk about it. And I'll just kind of, like most people just sort of ignore the stuff that bothers you. Bottom line is a study just came out. Looking at coffee. 

Eric Rieger  
Oh, I love coffee. 

Ken Brown  
So February is Heart Month, right? 

Eric Rieger  
It is. 

Ken Brown  
So everyone talks about Heart Month, and we're strokes are almost parallel to heart. So the same vessels that can ruin your brain can ruin your heart. You're gonna die either way. Let's start fixing it. 

Eric Rieger  
Yeah. 

Ken Brown  
So a study came out this last Thursday. So just a few days ago, in a journal called PLOS biology that I follow, which always looks at like new and upcoming research, as it find it. As it turns out, we know that coffee is good in 2017. There was this big meta analysis that show that help with diabetes. And also helped with cardiovascular disease and different things like that. But we really never, we always thought it was the polyphenols. So these guys looked at this and they took mouse models. And what they showed is that the caffeine plays a role. 

Eric Rieger  
Nice. 

Ken Brown  
Yeah. In case you haven't guessed that I drink just tons of coffee. 

Eric Rieger  
I didn't have to guess I see it all the time. 

Ken Brown  
Alright, so anyways, they took mouse models, and what they showed is that when you drink four to five cups of coffee equivalent in caffeine, you actually improve the mitochondria in the heart cells. They even show that the mitochondria is that you know, it's the powerhouse of the cell. It's what makes you walk around. It's what drives every single cell they found a protein called p 27, which is stimulated by caffeine. And when they gave heart attacks to mice, and then they gave them coffee, the mice that got the coffee, or the caffeine equivalent, recovered quicker, knockout mice that they took away the P 27 protein or whatever, they all died of heart attacks. So quick little thing in the news, coffee good, helps diabetes helps heart disease. And now we realize that it improves mitochondria. So I got to thinking and I was like, wow, the whole mitochondria is our aging thing. I found an article where they looked at old an aging mice, the more caffeine that they took in during the day, the more that their mitochondria were younger, and it was an anti agin...

All right. Welcome back. It's gut check project, Episode Number 33. I'm here with your host, Dr. Kenneth Brown. I'm Eric Rieger. Dr. Brown. What's happening In a day?

Not much I tell you what, this is really cool Episode 33. It's you and I know guest because we got to cover some serious science. 

Yeah, we do. A lot of people want to know what happens whenever you take certain things that works as post biotics, not just probiotics, but what do I do to feed my bacteria? And is that even number one? Is that even a real thing? What's a post biotic? Do I care what happens with the foods that I eat and what my bacteria does with it? And if I do, what's happening? so I'm going to, we're going to deep into deep into, we're going to dive in deep into some awesome science about what happens when we take care of our bodies, bacteria.

 Well, the reason why I wanted to get into this is that we got tons of feedback on the fecal microbial transplant episode. And then of course, when we had Panez on here talking about Crohn's disease. Yeah. So one of our viewers, Don sent me a message that basically said, so I'm more confused than ever. What do we do now? I started looking into it, and I'm like, Oh my gosh, now I know why so many things happen to poor Heli I, we're going to talk about that we're going to look into this, and hopefully clear up a few things. But I love the fact that we have viewers that are calling in be like, great episode, but now I'm more confused now and you know, follow it up. So that's what we're going to do today we're going to follow it up and talk about how Heli and Panez that has groans and Ellie, with her horrible autoimmune disease and everything like that with her fecal microbial transplant. I'm now starting to put the pieces together. I'm moving this big bubble of Venn diagrams, and I'm like, Oh, my gosh, this is here. So that's what we're going to do today. Your job because I mean, when I mean, I got excited, like, I my hair started going up in my arms. I was like, it's there. We're missing this. What I'm going to do right now is talking about some stuff that probably should have been put together before or maybe it has been maybe, but I looked at a lot of research I spent I just went down rabbit holes, and I'm kind of excited to talk about it.

Well, it's awesome. It's easy to do. I can tell you that I would imagine that we're probably going to talk about not only post biotics, but some really cool names like short chain fatty acids, right? We're going to head that direction?

We're going to talk about that ..Polyphenols

We're going to talk about SIBO, its IBS, all that stuff.

 Polyphenols

This is gonna be a great episode. If you if you if you're truly interested in gut health, you cannot ever stop expanding your knowledge and understanding why people say, health begins and ends in the gut. If there's a reason why that people who change your diet feel better, and this is what we're going to talk about today, so.. 

Yeah, totally. But you know, but before we get into that, we're not just, we're not just podcast nerds. I have a life. 

Okay. 

I'm pretty excited. I went and I did Rachel Sheers podcast, Sheer Madness. With her little Frenchie thingy Bulldog, yeah, called Lily. And so we went and did that. That's gonna launch here pretty soon, but you can see pictures of that. So that's cool. Um, and I also feel like I've been working too hard and people ask me, they're like, you know, do you have a hobby I'm like, wow, I'm..No so I was watching 60 minutes and I don't know why I'm turning into my dad. We're now I watch 60 minutes on Sundays and rather enjoy it. But I'm gonna pick up falconry. In fact, I've picked up falconry.

That's amazing. You've already done it in such a short amount of 

Yeah, specifically Golden Eagle falconry. 

Okay

Yeah. So basically I watched a 60 minute episode and Mongolia Nomads depend on animals to get other animals because they have no agriculture. So what they do is they make this bond with golden eagles and they use them to hunt other animals for them. And they've been doing this for thousands of years. Well, there's a woman named Lauren McGough. She's a PhD, she traveled to Mongolia. She's from Oklahoma. 

Oh, wow. 

Yeah, like, imagine having that conversation with your dad. You're like, I'm gonna go to Mongolia. But she's from Oklahoma. She found this old book on Eagle hunters. And she's like I'm gonna go do this. So she figured out that this is such a unique way of living where you live in unison with the animals. So she went there, she captured her own Golden Eagle bonded with it, and then became part of their tribe and hunted with this thing. 

Wow. 

And then has come back and it's been like, you know, a conservationist and she's a PhD and she lectures and all this other stuff. So these things, she owns her own eagle and what they do is they there's, they describe how you actually get it, but it's safe and everything in the ego bonds and then they let the ego go, like you're back out in the wild. I'm done with young either, you know, do you want to leave like when the ego wants to leave, it just leaves, but it hangs out so they can fly 50 miles an hour, and they can see seven times better than a human. And then they let it go. So anyways, I got into it. So I got my first Golden Eagle. And I've been trying to do this, but it just keeps bringing the neighbor's cat to me. 

Yeah 

It's not working the way it did on 60 minutes.

While like he keeps bringing the neighbor's cat so it's unharmed, which is really really sweet.

Totally unharmed. It's it's a completely loving eagle, the cat loves it. I just pet it for a little while. Yeah. Then it delivers it back to the neighbor. I don't know where the neighbor is.. Could be different city who knows? Travels 50 miles an hour. 

It's common knowledge of birds of prey just don't ever hurt anything. They just want to show it to somebody. 

So that's my hobby. 

Yeah, interesting. I can't even match that. So probably not going to the boys are about Star basketball playoffs. So that's what we're getting fired up to do. weekend was nice. Did some camping Saturday, Saturday evening. Woke up to beautiful sunrise Sunday. It was it was awesome. And that really kind of what we did this weekend is can take it easy. So..

Good for you. Taking it easy is good. I want to bring up one in the news article that I saw because pretty cool. 

Yeah. 

All right. You're gonna love this. Just published this month, actually. It was published the February 14th. So in the news, the American Heart Association published a study out of Northwestern on peace. With peripheral artery disease PAD, also known as PVD, peripheral vascular disease. Now peripheral vascular disease or arterial disease is a narrowing of the arteries that reduces the blood flow from the heart. So the further away from the heart. Imagine you have coronary artery disease. Same thing happens all over the body... But the further away it gets, it can actually affect people where you can't walk very, very far and it affects over 8.5 million people 40 years of age or older nationwide. It's a big deal. Sure. So this is so cool. In a small study of 44 people at Northwestern University of patients over the age of 60. They gave them a beverage drink containing flavonoid rich cocoa.

Interesting.

They gave them cocoa and then they added some epigalic tannins to it. 

Hmm, sound familiar?

Thats polyphenol people right there polyphenols, they gave people polyphenols the American Heart Association is now starting to catch up they're, I think watching the podcast.

 I'm sure they are.

 I think the...

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Eric Rieger  
Alright guys, here the gut check project. It is now Episode 32. We have an incredible show today if you've ever suffered from ulcerative colitis, Crohn's disease, or anybody that you know has ever dealt with an IBD and inflammatory bowel Disease this show is going to be incredible. We have a special guest today and let's knock off a couple of our sponsors for today we have Atrantil, you can get your own Atrantil at lovemytummy.com chock full of all natural polyphenols you will not find a more comprehensive natural collection of polyphenols to address your bloating, your IBS symptoms etc Dr. Brown you know a little bit about Atrantil.

Ken Brown  
I know a little bit about it and you know what I want to do to offer everybody you said lovemytummy.com  I'm going to add a little something if you want your beneficial policy and also we're going to get into that with inflammatory bowel disease Crohn's ulcerative colitis, just put /KBMD you'll save some money.

Eric Rieger  
Save some money go to love my tummy calm /KBMD Dr. Brown is exactly right. Treat yourself treat your gut treat your life Atrantil your bloating relief, it's what they do. Second thing of course here at KBMD health we have the gut check project at KBMD health we also have KBMD CBD and you can go to KBMD health.com and find your own physician vetted co2 all natural extracted, coa of everything that comes out and basically anything that you want out of a CBD we've got Dr. Brown 

Ken Brown  
Well the thing is is that everybody's kind of buzzing about CBD and I know even the Crohn's and colitis community people are talking about it but it's been studies have shown that over 80% of the CBD that people grab, don't have anything that is actually on the label. And what that means is you don't really take anything or you could be taking olive oil or whatever. Time and time again today today we treated people this morning and they said wow, I was on like three different CBDs and when we started the kBm the health CBD I'm actually noticing something

Eric Rieger  
Happens all the time. So if you want reputable CBD, used clinically by gastroenterologist, check out KBMDhealth.com. Get your own CBD today and use code GCP to save 20% on your purchase 

Ken Brown  
20% 

Eric Rieger  
20% Next, our final sponsor of today's show is going to be unrefined bakery. If you want to get gluten free keto friendly paleo vegan, they've got it if you've ever wondered I need to adhere to a special diet and I'm afraid that the food's gonna taste bad guess what unrefined bakery makes great food get just so happens to fit your special diet

Ken Brown  
You know it's nuts every patient that we had this morning

Eric Rieger  
Yeah 

Ken Brown  
Knows of Ann & Taylor 

Eric Rieger  
They definitely do 

Ken Brown  
They love them like these like they are true celebrities watch that episode. It is awesome unrefined bakery, gluten free. They can do all the other stuff just watch a show it's it's fun 

Eric Rieger  
Based here in the Dallas Fort Worth area you do not have to live here to get your own unrefined bakery goods. You can actually go to unrefinedbakery.com use code gut check, and you can have yourself some 20% off I believe on your first order and then right 20% off anyhow unrefined bakery. com use code Check, save some money on your first order. So make it a big one,

Ken Brown  
One impromptu sponsor.. and just keep watching the rest of the show to figure out why.

Eric Rieger  
Yes

Ken Brown  
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Eric Rieger  
Yes, absolutely. As I hinted at before we got to the sponsors. This is a dedicated show to ulcerative colitis and Crohn's. And we're going to be visiting with a special someone who will tell us a little bit about her story, her journey, hopefully to relate to anybody that either yourself or a loved one on what it's like to face these kinds of challenges, but Weisberg is a fantastic supporter of the ulcerative colitis and Crohn's foundation. He knows a lot and he's, it's awesome. And he has a book like that available. So ..

Ken Brown  
In the end 

Eric Rieger  
In the end

Ken Brown  
Honorary sponsor.

Eric Rieger  
All right, let's start The project. So now we just wait a little bit and then we're just gonna start talking. And I don't want to mispronounce your last name. Okay. Okay. eyeball 321

Eric Rieger  
All right, we are here on the gut check project. It is now episode number 32. I am here today with your normal host, Dr. Kenneth Brown, and we've got a special guest. Paneez Kahkpour. Oh, you know what we had her and now she can talk.

Paneez Kahkpour  
Am I back? Hello Everyone. Nice to see y'all.

Ken Brown  
Well Paneez has been my patient for over 12 years. What do we have 14 something like that.

Eric Rieger  
Awesome. Thank you so much for coming Dr. Brown. You have a monikor for her already that you just annoyed her with. What is that?

Paneez Kahkpour  
12-13

Ken Brown  
 Something like that I've always referred to her as the Persian princess. And so she is the she's Dallas's own Persian princess to the end here to the Persian community. This represents you My life the Persian princess. So sweet. She went to Iran of what about three years ago and brought me back a hand painted? What was that? It was art, but it told a story.

Paneez Kahkpour  
Yeah, it was. I'm trying to remember what it was. I'm pretty sure it was. Maybe it's like an old fairy tale. It's like a couple. I think it's called Laylee Imagine. I think it's their story, and it's the picture of them.

Ken Brown  
Wow. So.. really beautiful. I took a picture of it and send it to my friend Reza, who's who's a gastroenterologist in Florida, whose Persian also and he goes that's that's really expensive. Be very careful with it was like,Oh, okay. 

Eric Rieger  
You're hanging out the window of your car.

Ken Brown  
Using it as a fly swatter

Eric Rieger  
Trying to direct traffic in Denver. 

Ken Brown  
Yeah I was. Let's go over here. These Atrantil ads Don't stick on it at all.

Eric Rieger  
So you've had Crohn's Correct, yes. For how long? 

Paneez Kahkpour  
16 years

Eric Rieger  
16 years, you've been a Crohn's patient. And today, I think that what we really want to do is get your perspective on what it was like to be diagnosed to learn about what it was. What led you to go seek help in the first place? So back at the clock a little bit. And what did you first experience that drove you to go? In fact, you didn't go to Ken first you went to another gasterologist.

Paneez Kahkpour  
I was. I saw pediatric gi doctor in the beginning, I was 15 at the time, all right. Yeah, I just had all the symptoms. I couldn't eat anything anymore. I was just constantly going ...

All right everybody It is now time for the gut check project. Let's talk about some of our sponsors for today's show, Episode Number 31. Of course, we're going to start it off with Atrantil you can get your own Atrantil at lovemytummy.com/KBMD chock full of nature's best defense against IBS and bloating polyphenols. Dr. Brown, what do you want to add to that? 

One of the things is that we know that the future of protecting our microbiome and if you listen to this podcast, you will realize that we're it's all about health span. It's all about protecting your health. And the microbiome is the most important thing that you can actually augment Atrantil augments the microbiome. If you happen to be somebody that has IBS and bloating well we fix that also. So in other words, if you have issues take Atrantil. If you want to protect your health span take Atrantil.

So Atrantil, not only for your gut health protect your lifespan lovemytummy.com/KBMD, lovemytummy.com/KBMD. Don't get it from, Amazon. Get it directly from the Atrantil manufacturers themselves. 

You know what, because you need to just get on with this, I'm going to correct you on this. You said lifespan, I said healthspan. Two different things. I want you to be healthy. That's the bottom line. Doesn't matter how long we live. If you end up with Dementia, Alzheimer's Parkinson's, and things like that healthspan, my brother.

That's why we get Dr. Brown on the show and not just me. So lovemytummy.com/KBMD. Now talking about KBMD, we also have another sponsorship, KBMD CBD. KBMD CBD is all organic CO2 extracted and has been used clinically where we gotten results correct?

Correct Absolutely. So one of the things is everybodyis talking about CBD, CBD these days, but getting the proper CBD is the key here. 

If you cannot get direct access to a Certificate of Analysis, you're starting off on the wrong foot. All KBMD CBD lot number to lot number. Every single run, has an associated Certificate of Analysis so that you know that inside that bottle is exactly what appears on the label. And everything that we've ever or the Dr. Brown has ever found as a benefit from CBD has been tested in his own GI clinic and not just with himself with many of his own colleagues. So KBMD CBD, you can get your own at KBMDhealth.com. And you can also find the Dr. Brown signature protection package, which includes CBD and Atrantil. Now why would someone want to do that?

That is great question Eric. And the reason why is because when we've been talking to scientists, we realize that when you take Atrantil with CBD, it actually augments your own endocannabinoid production. Meaning, you explain that please.

Well, if you enhance your own endocannabinoid production, what you're going to do is give your body all of the elements that it needs to balance your immune system along with your nervous system. And by having that type of balance, you begin to decrease the, the negative effects of over inflammation. Or you could find out that you could sleep a little bit better that you just don't say have the same aches and pains. Essentially, there's a great reason that we're discovering that CBD is essential as a micro-nutrient that we could consume every single day. 

I'm so proud of you. 

Thank you.

 You've learned so much.

 I've learned so much.

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So ultimately, what happens is that the polyphenols Atrantil actually decrease the enzyme that breaks down your own endocannabinoids and that's how come I started getting into the science of this and I realized that every time everybody takes the KBMD CBD with Atrantil they do better. It augments, it meaning, they work together.

 20%?

 That's on top of the discounts that already come in the...

Sounds like i'm going to lose money on that. 

What's important, is that everybody can rest assured you will not have money as a barrier to entry for your health.

You know, that's exactly it. I don't even care about that. So we're gonna lose a little money on this, but you guys get healthy. I'm on it, my kids are on it, my staff is on it, you're on it, your kids are on it, everybody's on it. Everytime you get in front of somebody. Our job with the gut check project is to promote health.

100% 

And this is one way to do it. 

Speaking of promoting health, we have our first external sponsor that we'd like to go ahead and talk about that is going to be somebody who made it a an appearance on episode number 30. The Unrefined Bakery so unrefinedbakery.com, unrefinedbakery.com. You can use, code gutcheck to save 20% off your very first purchase. And it doesn't matter where you live, even though they are based in the DFW Texas Metroplex, anywhere you live, they can ship to you. Gluten-free, paleo, keto compliant, whatever you're after in your special diet. That's what they specialize in. Low sugar, breads, cupcakes, mix. It's incredible food, that just happens to be gluten free. What do you think of the of the foods that Unrefined Bakery made this week?

Absolutely amazing. They were absolutely delicious. But, here's something else I want to say. I had a patient that just came to me, and they went to the Mayo Clinic they were Cleveland Clinic. They were like desperate, right? And they were told by their gastroenterologist that gluten sensitivity is not a thing. 

Weird. 

Guess what? Gluten sensitivity is a huge thing to me. Because every time I eat it, I'm pretty much stuck in the bathroom. So Unrefined Bakery. I love the fact that we brought them on. We had Taylor and Ann. And they, they crushed it. They're super smart.

Definitely. They're dedicated to their customers without question. 

Dude, they have the same passion that we do, which is ultimately just promoting health, that's it.

Absolutely. 

So I know, I had to laugh. This patient came to me and he goes, Yeah, my doctor told me that gluten sensitivity was not a thing. Like it, really is because I live it.

Yeah, absolutely. Unrefined Bakery, unrefinedbakery.com, use code, gutcheck, save 20% off your first order. Make it a big order. So save 20% off a bunch of stuffed.

 20%? They're losing money also.

Absolutely. If you walked away thinking you can't have bread anymore, start here. They sell bread, they sell bread dough, they sell cupcakes, they sell cookies they sell like I said.

Can you get on the rest of the show, because I'm gonna drive there. Right now. And go get some cupcakes.

Unrefined Bakery. 

You're doing too good of a job of selling this, holy cow.

We may not have a show, this may be it. This may be Episode 31 right here. So unrefinedbakery.com. Be sure and check them out. Use code gut check. And now we're onto the show. You're gonna love Episode 31. Dr. Brown is going to dive pretty deep and we'll get started here in 3,2,1. 

Alright everybody is now time for the gut check project. It's Episode 31, we got a special topic here today that Dr. Brown is going to cover. Has anybody ever thought about fecal microbial transplants almost screwed up the way I said it, just then.

No, no, no, you can't screw up poop.

You can't screw up poop. 

You can't screw up poop.

No, so I didn't. It's like. It's like everything's fine.

Yeah, I want to try something completely different here. So what, what happened and the reason why I'm to do this show, you and I is that I were surprisingly getting some reach. I got reached by somebody, instant messaged me from Sweden.

Someone from Sweden, Sweden.

Because they actually had GI issues developed bacterial overgrowth, SIBO. And then, in her ...

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Welcome to gut check project. It's episode number 30. I'm here with your host, Dr. Kenneth Brown. Eric Rieger here sitting now with the founders of unrefined bakery in the DFW area. It's Anne Hoyt and Taylor Nicholson Thank y'all so much for joining us today. 

You're welcome.

Founders? We got the stars of unrefined bakery here!

The stars of unrefined bakery.   

The stars!

We're glad to be here, y'all.

I feel like every single show we just keep taking it up a notch. I'm like, how are we gonna beat this and you go I know how we're gonna beat it. We're gonna bring Anne and Taylor on.

People that bring cupcakes.

Yes, yes. cupcakes that won't make you sick. 

There you go. 

Yeah. And that is no joke. We're going to get to that obviously later in the show unrefined bakery being an incredible place that honestly it's great food that happens to not make you sick. I don't care that they feature that it's gluten free. And that it can be soy free or corn free. They have all of the things to take care of people who have food allergies, the fact is, the food is great. It just happens to be made of awesome stuff.

Well, I'll be totally honest Eric, Eric loves your store he's been eating your get your food I have not heard of it. So this morning I'm in clinic and I had a bunch of people and I said well I'm unfortunately have to keep moving here I have to get to go to a show and I explained who I'm doing the show with it. Oh, I love unrefined bakery I go every time I go to a vegan conference through there every time I do this every single patient talked about you guys and I'm like Okay, we got some rock stars showing up today. I better have my game face on.

Yeah,

Well so quick. We just have to do it to pay the bills right quick. Don't forget that. Every gut check project it's sponsored by Atrantil lovemytummy.com/kbmd to get your discount of course it's polyphenols created by the gentleman right across the table from here Dr. Ken Brown. Anything to add for Atrantil before we talk to the ladies of unrefined bakery,

Only thing to add is that everything that you guys tell your clients we also tell our clients which is we're trying to develop a healthy gut which leads to a healthy lifestyle which leads to anti aging which leads to health span. It's no longer about lifespan. It's about health span. How do we live a happy, healthy life where we share in this with everyone? And the relationship that you two have is so similar to what Eric and I have. I'm actually Eric father, and we started a business together.

You look great! 

It's the polyphenols. 

It's an anti aging molecule.

It's working!

Well, you want to know what's really cool. Eric's a grandfather also. Yeah. 

You're a great grandfather. 

Great grandfather. 

That's amazing.

It's news to everyone.

So great. Breaking news! Here we go with it.

I think that the I think that teaming up with unrefined bakery and discussing the issues of gluten and celiac disease is so close to my heart. So what I thought we could do today is I want to talk about celiac disease. We always geek out a little bit and clearly you to know your stuff on some science. Your sister's a physician. Yeah, so so you guys talk science at home. We'll talk a little science. We'll talk a little about celiac in general, get people up to speed get everybody's like, celiac. Do I have a wheat allergy? Do I have celiac disease? Do I have gluten sensitivity? Oh, it's all BS. Who cares? That's all just Hollywood stuff. We're gonna get into all that?

And something to add a part that Ken doesn't always get to see is whenever we refer a patient to visit with our dietitians here locally like Susan linky unrefined bakery is always a stop that she's continuously recommended for the last several years because when people tried to bridge over to enjoying foods that they can then safely enjoy. Unrefined bakery has been a great, you know, beacon that you don't have to give up things that tastes great. You really don't. So let's start with the science. I mean, y'all y'all been a great savior for a lot of people.. 

Yes, I'm gathering that. You've passed that down.

We're gonna let we're gonna let you guys go into the whole story about this talk about food but because this is the gut check Project, our whole motto is you check your ego at the door, and we can talk about anything. So today we're gonna talk a little bit about celiac disease I just mentioned in clinic everybody knew you guys. One of the things overview, it's a common autoimmune issue. If you're listening to this show, and you're like, ahhh celiac, blah, blah, blah, I'm not going to do this. Basically, what happens is your body starts attacking your small bowl, but pay very close attention to this show. Because as it turns out, the prevalence is increasing. A lot. We used to think it was like one in 3000. The most recent studies have shown that it's like one in 184. That was an Italian study that just came out not too long ago. We now know that 15% percent of new celiac diagnoses aren't people older than age 65. So you were quoting Alessio Fasano right before we started this, I had a patient today that said, you know, what, is it possible that you can develop this later in life and I'm like 15% of the new diagnoses are happening at age over 65. So if you think that you don't know or you will never get this. Pay attention to this because there is a chance that you could have this. So you may have celiac not even know it. We're going to get into that. This is not an allergy by definition. It's and it's a little bit different than gluten sensitivity. We're going to talk about all that and clarify it. But before we do this Eric is a huge history buff.

Learned it from dad.

So Oh, one other quick thing we always forget to do this. Although I'm a medical doctor, you're crna and you provide medical care. The show is not intended to treat diagnose or do anything that they should but we're just not just this is for fun. Yeah, but you're gonna learn a lot.

If you have a funny looking toe get it checked out.

Yeah, if you've got some unusual growth, go to unrefined bakery first. 

Do go to unrefined bakery first. We're gonna make you feel better. Buy a cupcake and feel better.

You know what, that's it. Recommendation if you do happen, this is not diagnosing or treating, but it will make you feel better if you notice an unusual growth swing by unrefined bakery before you go to the doctor to get that diagnosis of it as you're munching. Oh, 

Take one to your doctor and bring some for their office. they'll treat you better..

All right. So what I would like to do is our first ever history quiz. I'm going to sign awards and points on this one. So we're going to do a little history quiz. So the this is going to be about the history of celiac disease. All right. In 1888, celiac was first described by this person, Eric, you get first crack at the answer. 1888 celiac was described by this person. I don't know his name. I just assumed that it's Oh, you're pointing at something.

Oh, it looks like was it Samuel?  Oh, you want me to say Bernie Sanders.

But so my son is horrible at improv. Just absolutely horrible.

I thought you wanted me to guess. So I was thinking...

You probably would have guesseed Bernie Sanders...1888.

Well, he was there,

Right Trump is happy with that answer.

Tylor what would be your answer in 1888.

I...

Remember, I am a real doctor Eric is a real crna. We do do real medicine. But this show is not intended to diagnose or treat. Please, if you have any issues like rectal bleeding, go to our website, kbmdhealth.com. Download the E book, learn about it, but make sure that you talk to your doctor about it.

Ken Brown  
 All right, here we are with the gut check project, Episode 29 a super special episode because we have a guest co host, Eric Rieger was unavailable. And so we had a guest co host today it is Dr. Doug Won, who's here. Welcome to the studio, my friend.

Dr. Won  
Thank you so much for having me here. Truly an honor.

Ken Brown  
Well, I think that this is gonna be a really really cool show. You're doing A lot of functional things you're really big into treating the whole person. Your background, I think is really cool. I am gonna warn you though. I hope you're a pretty smart guy because Eric's a smart guy. You got some big shoes to fill in. So why don't we at least find out like if you're, you know, like where you actually came from and everything. Tell us a little bit about yourself?

Dr. Won  
Sure. I'm from South Korea, immigrated to Irving, Texas when I was 11 years old and went to elementary, middle school and high school in Irving MacArthur High School, go Cardinals. And then after that, I went to Northwestern University. I majored in biology and biomedical engineering, and then went to medical school at utmb in Galveston, and once I was done with the medical school, pursued orthopedic surgery at Washington University in St. Louis, and did spine surgery fellowship in Michigan, and then came right back to Irving, Texas, to treat my friends and family members and my local community and Irving, the city that I love, I went back to it and been there ever since.

Ken Brown  
Yeah, you're way smarter than Eric. Yeah. Of course right now he's probably arguing I didn't hear anything about Texas Tech. So you know, so in his mind, you didn't go to Texas Tech. You're not nearly as smart. But I guess you did say a few other things Northwestern, double major biology, biomedical engineering and everything. So, yeah, I think that I think the show is going to be really great. What I want to do with this show today, you have you and I have very similar passions. We're really big into the functional medicine side of things. I want to cover some anti aging stuff. I want to talk about how supplements and nutrients can actually augment a lot of these different things that talk about your past. Now. You are one of the most accomplished orthopedic spine surgeons and I can I have to pick your brain before we even jump in. I was actually talking to a very difficult patient of mine and I wanted to throw out a disease and just see if you've ever dealt with any of this. I believe That we have somebody who is smoldering into ankylosing spondylitis. Now this actually happened to one of our co workers, but now I'm treating somebody who's acting a lot like she did. She spent about two years just sort of, you knew something wasn't right. And then pow it just kind of all popped up. Have you had some experience with autoimmune diseases and stuff like that specifically as ankylosing spondylitis?

Dr. Won  
Yeah, absolutely. In our spine clinic, we used to see a lot of patients with ankylosing spondylitis. And then also patients who didn't quite have the the conditions, but they were HLA 27 positive, and they were brewing the different types of symptoms and conditions. And then we also deal with because I also deal with lifestyle medicine. We've actually seen a lot of different kinds of patients with autoimmune disease. And what we usually tell patients is that your genetics and genes may load the gun, but you actually pulled the trigger through your nutrition and lifestyle.

Ken Brown  
i like how you say that. Yeah, totally. So one of the things I just want to get this out of the way that you You're a very accomplished orthopedic surgeon. You're currently involved a little bit of a legal situation that you're appealing. What I think is amazing what you have done is because you have to put your surgical practice on hold for a little bit. Yes, you have shifted, and have still taken on the role of being a doctor, helping people and being an educator, you have not slowed down at all, you are the embodiment of resilience of moving through. I'm super, I think that's really, really neat. And why did you decide to kind of shift gears, I mean, you were going from scalpel. And I get that you have to take a little break from that. But a lot of people like you would just say, I'll use this as a break to go tour the world and say hi to things and you went I'm gonna use this as my opportunity to help more people.

Dr. Won  
Thank you. You know, helping people and making a big impact was my passion. That is a reason why I went into medicine and went into medicine because you know, my father suffered from back and he had four back surgeries, and his life was ruined for about 30 years with severe pain and in life You come up with so many different challenges. Either you can crumble or or decide to just sit back, and then the life continue to punch you, or you can stand back, you know, stand up again, and continue to move on forward. And what got me going was as long as I can make an impact and help all the patients, and my passion was biohacking, which I've been doing, you know, all my life. And what I realized was that in medical school, we really didn't learn how to cure the disease. We learned to manage the disease. And through this experience, I really learned how to better manage and then in many incidences, and cure the patients, and wanted to continue to make an impact and help patients. That's what gets me going and that's what's getting me up every single morning. And no matter what anybody says, as long as I feel good about you know what I'm doing and continue to practice medicine in different way. Through health coaching, and, you know, even approaching and these days, I also teach a lot of doctors in Africa. How to treat chronic disease.

Dr. Won  
You teach doctors in Africa?

Dr. Won  
Yes. 

Ken Brown  
Okay. I got a segway out of that for a second. What? Tell me about that? 

Dr. Won  
Yeah, so I came in contact with a physician who was really into preventive medicine. He's a personal doctor to the president of Cameroon. In Africa right now, they're facing so many different chronic disease. In the past, before the Africa became developed, there was no such thing as heart disease, cancer, diabetes, or obesity. But as the countries are becoming wealthier, and countries are becoming more developed, they're now importing American disease such as heart disease, diabetes, cancer, Alzheimer's, and they obviously can't afford to treat the patients with American medicine. So they're looking for ways to treat the patients naturally, and also the citizens most of the people in Africa are still hesitant about Modern medicine. So we got in contact through a mutual friend. And we decided to teach the the physicians there, how to reverse the disease naturally. And then also importantly, to prevent them.

Ken Brown  
Wow and so are you doing some sort of zoom with them? Do you have a lecture series? How are you doing this? 

Dr. Won  
Yeah. So every Saturday morning, I connect through them through zoom meeting. Thank goodness for technology. I don't have to physically be in Africa. I would love to visit the continent, sometime soon. When things free up, but utilizing the technology, we provide the lectures, mostly to physicians, but also just about anyone who's interested. And we open it up to the whole community. And at one point, we had people from seven differen...

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Eric Rieger  
All right, here we are. It is gut check project, Episode Number 28. I am here with your host, Dr. Ken Brown. What's up Doctor Brown. 

Ken Brown  
What's going on Eric? Episode 28. 

Eric Rieger  
Episode 28.

Ken Brown  
Lots of energy 2020. We're just wow. 

Eric Rieger  
We're so close to 30, it's what, six more years. seven more years. We could run for president release the show.

Ken Brown  
It's so weird when I'm sitting there doing colonoscopy recalls. And I'm like, come back in 2030...gah! It's weird. 

Eric Rieger  
Yeah, that's good news for those. Everybody. One unique thing. everybody complains about the prep. So if you if you have to have a colonoscopy and you're not looking forward to the prep, you are not alone. Nobody likes it.

Ken Brown  
You know what, there's a video that I have on my website, Kenneth Brown, MD. com. That's more for my my clinical practice, but I've got a video that can actually talk you through how to get through that prep and a few little bio hacks to do that. I've been through a couple preps myself. I've taken them all. So when patients are like, you have no idea I'm like, No, I do know. I do know, 

Eric Rieger  
I'm fully aware. 

Ken Brown  
Yeah, you can actually go on the website and see it or you can go to YouTube and see my bare bottom there for the world. Because I mean, the one thing that you and I do do we do... 

Eric Rieger  
You just said, doo doo.  

Ken Brown  
Okay I did, yea you're right. I am a gastroeneterologist but the one thing that we do is we live it. I mean, we We will last week I was fasting. I did a five day fast.

Eric Rieger  
You did? And you did well.

Ken Brown  
I did. I I liked it man, that erexin erexin is a hormone that kicks in that creates energy. I became euphoric again. I was just chatty Cathy run around loving it. 

Eric Rieger  
It's a wild thing to see play out the erexin. Having done it myself, it's it's when you're not expecting it especially.

Ken Brown  
Yeah, totally. And this time I kind of did sort of the fasting mimicking diet where I kept the calories down. It was almost exclusively just water. But I did cheat a little bit, but not cheating. I kept my calories down. I allowed myself to choose some celery once in a while. And if you look at valter Longo's  data when he talks about the fasting, mimicking diet, they allow you to have up to, you know, whatever 800 calories and you can still trick the body into fasting. What I really enjoyed was my family's getting more used to it so they weren't like I like I was a little irritable at some times and you know Loyda was cool with it. She understood. She's like, well, you're fasting. And, you know, so it was there and so the kids were kind of making fun of it. But when we sit there and look at it, and you realize that I'm trying to turn on some stem cells and all these other things, I really felt like I'm gonna make this a regular part every three months. I'm gonna try and do a five day fast. Sounds really daunting. But when you look at the data, if you get a chance, there's on amazon prime. If you're an Amazon Prime member, there's a documentary called fasting and they interview what I consider the fasting experts. They've got Jason Fung, they've got Sachin Panda. They've got Valter Longo and they all talk about the different types of fastings. And what you achieve with each one

Eric Rieger  
Yeah, no, I totally worth it. Very low cost. It's something you can do and there are tons of benefits. We probably should do a fasting reset episode, just specific to what we can find and then we've had nurses and different technicians that we've worked with who've decided to implement fasting as part of their own healthy regimen. who already seen lower blood pressure and different things like that? So it requires really no true investment. It just requires a little bit of discipline.

Ken Brown  
Yeah, and it's a it seems once and I remember what was the conference live it to lead it Conference. I was lecturing and I that that was the first conference where it was a fasting conference. And they purposely did not serve anything

Unknown Speaker  
No.

Ken Brown  
We went all day.

Eric Rieger  
All day. 

Ken Brown  
Everyone in that conference about 400 people. 

Eric Rieger  
But you're all in it together.

Ken Brown  
Yeah. That that is Dr. Daniel Pompa. And he's the one that really kind of got me thinking about fasting. And he's, if you want to check him out, he's he's awesome. We know we know Angelo, his his. who's the CEO right now? Anyways, we're always doing business with these guys. They're amazing people. Dr. Dan Pompa. Check it out. I did his podcast and we and he is somebody that is extremely knowledgeable about fasting realizing that that turns on cellular health.

Eric Rieger  
Definitely. Well, let's do a quick reset so we can get down because we have actually quite a few topics to get to today. So episode number 28. It is the gut check project. I'm Eric Rieger here with your host, Dr. Kenneth Brown. As always, still sponsored by Atrantil, Atrantil chock full of pro anthocyanin, polyphenols, polyphenols, you don't have to have gut distress to benefit from Atrantil do you Dr. Brown? 

Ken Brown  
You do not. We're learning a lot and I'm going to get into some literature today and get into some data explaining about how this is actually super important because what we're going to talk about is something that is affecting your health, and it is screwing all of us up. So if you are a human living on planet Earth... 

Eric Rieger  
Most of us. 

Ken Brown  
You need to listen to the rest of the show. I'm gonna geek out a lot this is gonna be some serious science, but it's super important because we got stuff going on in the world right now that is affecting you and I can tell you how the polyphenols actually help protect you against what I'm going to tell you about that's everywhere.

Eric Rieger  
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Ken Brown  
Atrantil!

Eric Rieger  
And then also go and visit our brand new website it KBmdhealth, KBMdhealth.com. You can get your hands on Atrantil there as well as Dr. Brown's signature package which includes Atrantil as well as CBD. So why in the world would somebody want to combine Atrantil and CBD? 

Ken Brown  
Well, that is a great question, Mr. Eric. And one of the reasons why we learned through the science was as I was developing Atrantil I started talking to a lot of different scientists and contrary to what people think there's tons of science on CBD cannabidiol tons of science on the endocannabinoid system. As it turns out the polyphenols in Atrantil, actually allow your body to produce and keep around more of your own.  endogenous endocannabinoids, meaning you produce your own CBD like molecules called anandaminde and 2-ag. And I know you're going to talk about that a little bit. We'll get to that. Yeah. But basically, you can like it's, it's a exponential growth of your own endocannabinoid system. I started looking into this because when we were first treating people for th...