Things we talked about:

• The way multi-faceted careers can feel piecemeal (especially if parenting is added into the mix), or “like I’m doing five different jobs at once”
• Factoring in time to play as well as work
• Exploring your home town like a holiday destination
• Taking things home from real holidays that you might not expect (like appreciating the simple things, family meals, all your possessions in one suitcase)
• Avoiding habits of consuming everything and creating nothing
• Making connections on Twitter (Lisa says, “I engage with people because I love it”)
• Pondering the idea that the Internet means we don’t get bored any more, and what that means
• On making things happen (Lisa was waiting for a radio job offer but it didn’t come, so she started a podcast)
• “People say you’re brave putting yourself out there, but I’m more afraid of not doing it”
• The importance of perseverance, and regularly doing the thing you fear (until you don’t fear it any more)
• We had a frank conversation about money. Despite living an outwardly glamorous life, Lisa says, “I don’t earn enough”
• Becoming an “accidental landlady”: her unexpected foray into property investment to build financial security
• We talked about the way women often hide our realities, keeping everything from messy kitchens to miscarriage behind closed doors
• Everything has to start with just two views. Even the most viral video of all time had only two views at some point.
• And finally, the possibly-surprising-but-then-probably-not location that Lisa chose when I asked her about her favourite place in the whole world

Where to find Lisa:

• On Twitter she's @lfnand
• On Instagram she's @lisafrancesca_nand and @thebigtravelpodcast
• Her podcast: The Big Travel Podcast

The meditation app Sara mentioned:

• Waking Up

Where to find Sara:

• Sara on Substack
• Sara’s website: meandorla.co.uk
• Sara's charity Christmas cards
• Me and Orla 2023 Calendar
• Sara on Instagram: @me_and_orla
• Sara on Twitter: @meandorla
• One to one business coaching with Sara
• The Insta Retreat

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Things We Talk About In This Episode:

• Working with clients in the creative process and their reactions.
• How as humans we respond to visuals in a human way. Narratives that make it seem shallow to care about how things look. Like it’s superficial to care too much about the way you look and that this might mean you don’t have depth.
• Aesthetics are a luxury that comes after the essentials of survival and how you can still care about aesthetics, even if the first priority is survival.
• Creating worlds on Instagram for an escape, or for an imaginary world to exist in.
• Growing up in a third-world country and living without running water. Living and growing up in a country where safety isn’t guaranteed and that these things stay with you.
• That where we start is not always a reflection of where we’re going to end up.
• The importance of the client’s story, understanding and connecting with them.
• Taking lessons from pain. Looking for good and having empathy.
• Struggling with seeing our own magic and the stories we tell ourselves.
• Behind the scenes of Sell Your Sh*t, and how the coaching and lessons had an impact on Susan.
• Learning that our experiences of life are not always everyone else's experiences. That our normal isn’t everyone’s experience.
• How Susan joined Instagram as a way to communicate her journey. That starting to share and mingle with people helped her to feel it’s safe to share online.
• That Instagram gives us chance to take small baby steps into being seen or into vulnerability.
• How being in the spotlight can mean you lose the sense of freedom with your account.
• That Instagram can be like therapy, that the discoveries that come as a result of being in the spotlight can help you to understand what you want. It makes you confront a lot of the stuff that’s hiding under the surface.
• How people can reject your work but not reject you, and how we can get this confused, something that’s covered in Sell Your Sh*t.
• Starting a business on Instagram and running a product business.
• How preparing and getting ready is more about feeling ready, and how this is a process.
• Learning about yourself and how your messages connect with other people is something you can’t rush.
• Designing your brand from the inside out, so you can finally stop tweaking your brand. Challenging the there's one right way theory.

 

 

Links mentioned in this episode (and where to find Susan):

• Sell Your Sh*t
• Susan product line
• Susan youtube
• Join Susan’s Email list
• Why you need to join Substack with Farah Store

Where to find Susan:

• Susan's website: bysusanmar.com
• Susan on Instagram: by.susan.mar
• Susan on Youtube: by Susan Mar
• Susan's Email List & Freebies: choose-your-own-journey

Where to find Sara:

• Sara’s website: meandorla.co.uk
• Sara on Instagram: @me_and_orla
• Sara on Twitter: @meandorla
• Sara on Substack: meandorla.substack.com
• One to one business coaching with Sara
• Sell Your Sh*t - enroling now

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Things We Talk About In This Episode:

• The importance that established news organisations find ways to use social media if they want to engage a young audience
• TikTok has redefined the experience of social media, with short video content, and Instagram Reels and Youtube Shorts have followed suit
• How Sophia found an audience on TikTok (and later on Instagram Reels) by talking to camera about her media stories
• The way we can gain insights into what makes a successful social media post by being a user of the platform
• The importance of constant engagement on social media, both creating and consuming content
• Acknowledging the fear and vulnerability that can come with being authentic and genuine online
• Sophia’s tips for successful TikTok/Reel content: action or engaging content in every second, and lead with your most powerful image/shot/quote)
• Comparing the strengths and drawbacks of the different platforms, especially Reels and TikTok
• When creating Reels content or TikTok content, share that content on both platforms so you’ll meet both audiences
• When it comes to sharing your opinions online, having a sense of purpose goes a long way towards building your confidence
• How Sophia has been promoting her book: reposting user content from her book launch on Instagram, a big thread on Twitter, traditional media appearances, and weekly TikTok videos (interspersed with other content so she doesn’t “spam” her audience)
• The challenges of Internet (and especially social media) censorship with any content relating to sex or sexual health

Links mentioned in this episode (and where to find Sophia):

Editing apps that help you create Reels or TikToks:

• Splice
• Template
• Cap Cut on Apple, and on Google

Here’s where to find and chat with Sophia:

• Sophia on Twitter: @sophiasgaler
• Sophia on TikTok: @sophiasmithgaler
• Sophia's book, Losing It: Sex Education for the 21st Century

Where to find Sara:

• The Insta Retreat  - Currently on Pre Sale
• Sell Your Sh*t - Currently on Pre Sale
• Sara’s website: meandorla.co.uk
• Sara on Instagram: @me_and_orla
• Sara on Twitter: @meandorla
• One to one business coaching with Sara

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Things we talked about:

• The value of owning your own audience
• Building a brand for yourself around the work you’re doing
• The growing online hunger for content by real people and the forging of real connections
• We seem to be entering an era that Farrah calls, rather poetically, "the Time of the Writer": the world has passed the period of devouring all the content on the Internet, now we are more discerning, and only want to consume content that we genuinely enjoy
• The continued return of demand for long-form content
• The return of community: the value of hearing from and engaging with your audience
• Giving your best work away from free (yes!)
• The limitations of the stories that can be told in traditional media
• And related, the limitations of creating content when you're in competition for followers or clicks
• When you try to appeal to the masses, you bland out

Farrah's tips for what works well on Substack:

• Niching works well. The more you niche, the more dedicated (as opposed to big) an audience you'll get
• Publishing twice a week tends to grow a "stickier" audience
• Use social media to point people to your Substack content
• Use your "About" page to set expectations and declare a manifesto
• Claim your real name, if you can

Where to find Farrah:

• Farrah's Substack platform, "Things Worth Knowing"
• Farrah on Instagram (for dog pictures and Substack information)

Where to find Sara:

• Sara on Substack
• Sara’s website: meandorla.co.uk
• Sara on Instagram: @me_and_orla
• Sara on Twitter: @meandorla
• One to one business coaching with Sara
• The Insta Retreat

 

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Where to find Sara:

• Sara’s website: meandorla.co.uk
• Sara on Instagram: @me_and_orla
• Sara on Twitter: @meandorla
• Sara on Substack
• The Insta Retreat
• Sell Your Sh*t
• One to one business coaching with Sara

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Things We Talk About In This Episode:

• The many ways for a book to “be successful” that don’t involve writing a New York Times bestseller (who knew?!)
• Lockdown lessons, and learning to live with uncertainty
• The surprising weight and reliance that we put on the future, without realising we’re doing it
• The “ladder of hierarchies” through which we try (and mostly fail) to feel better about ourselves
• Learning to enjoy the process of making something, more than the reception it receives
• Drinking the Kool-Aid of never-ending work, productivity, and demonising rest (and this pearl of wisdom: even machines burn out!)
• And the related delusion we buy into, “I’ve put enough into the world that now I feel worthy”
• Shame in its many forms, and diet culture
• Using self-worth as an alternative motivator to shame
• How to drop the shame (the first step is to start noticing it)
• Curiosity is the bridge that can take us from shame to self-love
• And the freedom and curiosity that comes when we finally drop the shame

Links mentioned in this episode (and where to find Jamie):

• Radically Content is available from 12 April 2022, and can be ordered (or pre-ordered if you’re reading this before 12 April) here
• Jamie’s website
• Jamie’s online course on self-trust, “Live with Intention”

Here’s where to find and chat with Jamie in your favourite app:

• Jamie on Instagram @jamievaron
• Jamie on Twitter @jamievaron
• Jamie on Tiktok @jamievaron
• Jamie on Facebook @jamievaron

Where to find Sara:

• Sara’s website: meandorla.co.uk
• Sara on Instagram: @me_and_orla
• Sara on Twitter: @meandorla
• One to one business coaching with Sara
• The Insta Retreat
• Sell Your Sh*t

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Things We Talk About In This Episode:

• Recognising the power of what’s possible when people come together with a common goal
• The value of creating your own, distraction-free destination for group learning and support
• Empowering creators to place higher value on the important business, community and content they are making - rather than being driven solely by the pursuit of money and influence
• The importance of community, particularly when we are forging new paths (or making things up as we go along). Gina says, “the single best place to make things up as you go along is in a small, trusted community of people who are there on the same journey”
• The important difference between “community” as opposed to audience, following or marketplace
• The great value of having diversity within a likeminded group is in the different and interesting ways that community members apply the common concepts
• The “fluff paradox” (the theory that content that is easy to judge - such as kittens or outrage - rises to the surface)
• How content and course creators can now market themselves less on formal qualifications or years of experience, and more on how they make ideas and skills accessible to people who can’t yet do the thing we’re teaching
• That networking is increasingly moving towards safe, trusted, creator-led online communities, which in turn is transforming in-person conferences and events less into “networking meet-ups” and more into reunions, with the capacity for deeper connections
• How I use Mighty Networks to create community and support the members of my own 15 Minute Magic program
• Pricing your services and wares, and in particular understanding that people value and pay attention to the things they pay for (a difficult concept to remember when our own self-doubt tells us to keep our prices low or give things away for free)
• Gina’s top tips for building and facilitating a new community: 1. Fear of failure is the biggest challenge most people face, something we all need to recognise and overcome2. Go for quality rather than quantity in numbers of members3. Don’t get bogged down creating content: focus on creating results for your community4. Remember that community is about all members adding value to one another, not you preaching to an audience (“I’m not a sage on the stage, I’m on the side as a guide”)

Links mentioned in this episode:

• Find Gina in the Mighty Network hosts community
• Follow her on Twitter at @ginab
• The Mighty Networks platform
• Information on my 15 Minute Magic program

Where to find Sara:

• Sara’s website: meandorla.co.uk
• Sara on Instagram: @me_and_orla
• Sara on Twitter: @meandorla
• One to one business coaching with Sara
• The Insta Retreat

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Things we talked about:

• Trusting that you have enough, you are enough and that there'll be enough in the future and how that applies to you as a human
• Decluttering and finding your own style, starting with the external and slowly moving in
• Being diagnosed with cancer at 25 and having an existential crisis that kick-started a big lifestyle change
• Jess's realisation that if the worst happened she would have had so many regrets, that the situation shone a light on ways she was living her life
• The fundamentals of doing stuff well online don't really change depending on the platform, it's about having something worth saying, being a human and connecting
• We have access to all these amazing people online and we can feel like, finally, there's somewhere where we do belong, that you can share actual feelings and emotions with people over the internet
• Building relationships with people that you wouldn't otherwise and connecting with like-minded souls that typically
• We are what we consume, so having a huge de-clutter of social media is a good thing
• Minimalism and simplifying life comes down to learning how to use the word no and how that can be really hard
• Intentional use of social media through asking yourself how you feel about it and taking action to make it work for you
• People's perception that we have to be perfect online and that showing any sign of weakness or difficulties is going to turn people off or mean they are no longer be interested in us
• When it comes to sharing online people don't connect with perfectionism like they do with pain or being broken because that's real, that we're all broken and we're all in pain and that being honest and open leads to deeper connections
• Showing up online as you is the key to a consistent online presence, the energy that we put into something transfers to the other person, they can feel it in your work,
• That we have so much to learn about vulnerability, fear of not being liked can lead to us not showing up as ourselves
• How it's all an experiment, that taking small steps makes being more us easier
• That you end up being so bland if you try to please everyone and how it's so dishonest to yourself as a human to deny you likes and dislikes - don't be like white rice!
• How validation can be good especially if you haven't received much in your life, as it helps build confidence
• Learning to use the word no, that it's about choice and that both paths are available to you
• That we're told we're not enough by media and society, and that we can stop, ask a few questions, try be a bit braver, try be a bit more intentional
• Sustainability, that the planet can't sustain our need to buy things to make us feel better, that it's not happiness but fulfilment that's important and it's about asking ourselves the difficult questions to reach it
• The freedom to explore and experience the good and the bad of life and how we miss out on the full experience if we are living by the rules we have been told
• That we are working too hard, that people are struggling with the expectations and are going to the doctor to get medication to keep up, that it's broken, the fact that people are working themself sick
• Enough is a decision, it's a choice we get to make
• My IG live with the Good Ship Illustration
• Jessica's IG live book launch 

Where to find Jessica Rose Williams online:

• You can buy her book here
• You'll find her @jessicarosewilliams on Instagram
• On Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/c/JessicaRoseWilliams
• And on her website

Where to find Sara:

• Sara’s website: meandorla.co.uk
• Sara on Instagram: @me_and_orla
• Sara on Twitter: @meandorla
• One to one business coaching with Sara
• The Insta Retreat is currently open for enrolment

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Things we talked about:

• How it still doesn't feel quite normal to call herself a full-time artist and how that's something a lot of us struggle with
• Growing up with a parent who's an artist, the expectations that brings and how that comparison can make creating art feel overwhelming
• Finding your own path, however varied and wherever it takes you
• The feeling of not being good enough, how it can hold you back and the judgements we make of our own work
• How posting on Instagram helped Maria to believe in her work and grow in confidence, that sometimes we need the outside world to tell us we're doing a good job
• That throwing yourself into your passions can lead to burnout, especially when making career changes and having other responsibilities and that recovery can be slow and frustrating
• How burnout shows up and that working with your body can be hard especially in our brains and the guilt that comes with it
• That naps are part of the creative process, taking time away from your creative process feeds it
• Maria's watercolour course, which has run twice and is open for enrolment at the moment, it covers the technical side of things as well as your mindset when producing work
• How people have art supplies they are saving because they are afraid to use them and how people expect to be either creative or not, when actually it's a skill that can be developed
• That we can feel not worthy of using the fancy art supplies or that we're waiting, but what are we waiting for?
• The journeys we go on to become good at the things we do, the hours we spend practising and the impact
• How Maria's audience likes unexpected pieces of her work, that what you want to create and post and what your audience wants are two different things and how easy it would be to only create what people love but how that can be a trap
• That maybe Maria's art would be different if she was paid for painting and not for a piece of art, how if it didn't have to be marketable it might be different? And how that's hard to know
• How people can feel like an imposter, usually if they have had a different job and found or come back to the thing they're doing now, they want to take it seriously but they don't think they're allowed to and that technical skill can be the route of this
• Some people self-sabotage by talking quietly about their work, how we shouldn't be afraid to share about yourself because people want to know the person behind the post
• What's the big deal? If an Instagram post doesn't work then no one will see it so what's the problem with sharing it?
• How art changes over a lifetime, how it transforms into something new and that that's a good thing as you may do this for the rest of your life so if it stayed the same it would be terrible
• And that life can give you the perfect training, even if at the time you don't realise it.

Where to find ... online:

• Maria's website
• Maria's Instagram @mariawiggeart
• Maris's course  Creating Boldly Use code ”MEANDORLA” for a 20% discount
• You'll find her Pinterest here 
• And here's Episode 84, when Maria was last on the podcast

Where to find Sara:

• Sara’s website: meandorla.co.uk
• Sara on Instagram: @me_and_orla
• Sara on Twitter: @meandorla
• The Insta Retreat is currently open for enrolment
• One to one business coaching with Sara
• Sara mentions her new programme Sell Your S**t. It's coming soon - sign up to find out when here

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Things we talked about:

• The difference between writing as a journalist and writing a book (it’s just so long!)
• But: you only get to publish your first book once! Accept the nerves, and appreciate the moment
• The ever-present contention and push-back received when one writes about race
• Natalie’s very wise words that reaction is the point of writing - and those reactions don’t have to be positive every time
• The value of the interviews in her book, and how she found and chose the right people to talk to
• Some of the stories and themes that came out of the interviews that surprised her
• The unique experiences that people of mixed race have when they walk through the world, and the impact this has on identity, parenting, privilege, and the experience of racism
• Parenting mixed race children (avoiding “colour-blindness” and those fetishised hashtags on social media)
• How white parents can open dialogues that empower their mixed race children to talk about racism
• The value of social media in creating connections, sharing ideas, and giving voice to minorities who are not always heard on mainstream platforms
• But on the flip side, the deeply disturbing fetishisation of mixed race people - particularly mixed babies - and “blackfishing” trends (changing your appearance through make-up and hair to appear as though you have black heritage)
• And Natalie’s rallying call to allies: “We need you to still care. We need that energy you had in the summer.”

Where to find Natalie online:

• Natalie's book, Mixed/Other
• Natalie is @nmozz on Twitter
• And also @nmozz on Instagram
• You'll find her writing on metro.co.uk, in the lifestyle section
• And here's the Guardian article I mentioned, "Why celebrating mixed race beauty has its problematic side"

Where to find Sara:

• The Insta Retreat - My tell-all, best selling course for Instagram creatives and business owners 
• One to one business coaching with Sara Tasker
• Sara’s website: meandorla.co.uk
• Sara on Instagram: @me_and_orla

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