The Virtual Couch

How Can Change Be Funny, Scary, and Uncomfortable… and Still Be Necessary for Growth? (with Mackie Overbay)


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Tony and his daughter Mackie (@beautybymackie) catch up on a lot of life. Since the last time they hit record, Mackie has navigated big career shifts, health challenges, and new adventures. Tony has faced major surgery and the loss of his mom (Mackie’s grandmother). 


Together, they dive into the messy, uncomfortable, and often hilarious realities of change — why our brains resist it, why it feels so daunting in the moment, and why it’s actually the engine of growth. From dad jokes about Gen Z slang to real talk about autoimmune diagnoses, resilience, and reinventing yourself, this conversation is equal parts laughter, honesty, and insight.


If you’re navigating your own season of change, this episode will remind you that discomfort isn’t just survivable — it’s what shapes who you’re becoming. Follow Mackie on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/beautybymackie or Tiktok https://www.tiktok.com/@beautybymackie or subscribe to "The Mind, The Mirror and Me" wherever you listen to podcasts!


00:00 Welcome and Introduction

00:30 The Struggle with Change

02:16 Introducing Mackey McKinley

02:44 Life Updates and Major Changes

02:58 The Humor in Processing Change

03:25 Practical Gifts and Life Lessons

03:32 Social Media and Upcoming Events

04:10 Conversation with Mackey Begins

04:17 Casual Banter and Podcast Revival

05:56 Mackey's Career Journey

10:17 Health Challenges and Lifestyle Changes

28:21 The Concept of Healthy Ego

30:49 Defensive Ego and Feelings of Inferiority

31:10 Insecurity in Professional Settings

31:18 Hypersensitivity and Narcissistic Traits

32:01 Building a Healthy Ego

32:39 Passion vs. Obligation in Work

34:02 Personal Growth and Change

36:20 The Fear of the Unknown

38:37 The Illusion of Control

39:19 Coping with Discomfort and Growth

40:12 Therapy and Emotional Support

49:13 The Power of Pausing and Acceptance

54:13 Mackey's Wellness Journey

56:46 Conclusion and Final Thoughts



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