Clay Hepler shares the raw truth behind owning 80+ rental properties—and why it left him broke, burnt out, and stuck. In this candid interview with Ajay Sharma (founder of Land Closers Academy), Clay reveals the pivot that changed everything: land investing.

This episode is a full breakdown of how Clay rebuilt from the ground up—scaling to a 25-person team, launching cold calling systems, and projecting $3M+ months in pipeline profit.

What you’ll learn:

• Why more doors ≠ more cash flow (and what Clay learned the hard way)
• How to scale a lean land operation without burning out
• Clay’s hiring funnel, sales systems, and leadership stack
• The emotional and tactical roadmap to go from stuck at $30K/month to building real momentum
• Why cold calling is crushing every other land marketing channel in 2025

If you’re stuck between deals or ready to scale, this is the behind-the-scenes look at what it actually takes to build a real business in the land space.

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