Air Force pilot turned land investor Josh Travis joins Jessey to talk about what it really takes to move from just doing deals to actually building a business that runs on its own. They dig into direct mail that feels human, why honesty in copy works, and how the Traction framework helped Josh scale his land business while still flying jets.

What you’ll learn:

• Doing the business vs building the business (and why most people mix the two up)

• How Josh uses story-based direct mail that gets real responses

• The Traction system that helped him build better processes

• How to test your copy, budget smarter, and still stay genuine

• Turning 2 acres into a solid subdivide deal (and what he’d do differently)

• Why slowing down and focusing on people beats chasing every deal

• How Josh’s Air Force training shaped how he runs his business

Where to reach Josh:
https://bluebird.group/

Brandon Cobb started out flipping houses, but a few key deals shifted his focus toward land development. Now he spends his time on horizontal projects, getting lots approved, engineered, and pre-sold to national builders before a shovel ever hits the dirt. In this episode, Brandon shares how he reduces risk, manages timelines, and turns raw land into builder-ready communities.What you’ll learn:- Why pre-selling to national builders is a safer play than spec building- The step-by-step approval path from concept plan to grading permit- How per-pad pricing drives smarter deal analysis- The biggest mistakes new developers make with cities and engineersWhere to find Brandon Cobb:• Investor resources and ebook: https://hbgcap.net• Free course and community: https://learnlanddevelopment.comIn this episode, we cover:0:00 Introduction to Brandon and land development1:54 Transitioning from flips to development3:04 Losing a dream job and finding real estate7:10 Horizontal development explained9:58 Pre-selling lots and builder deposits11:12 How the entitlement process really works13:51 The role of the preliminary plat and city feedback15:16 Civil drawings and multi-department approvals16:28 SWPPP and grading permits16:58 Typical timelines for approvals17:44 Finding land deals and outreach strategies20:15 Building relationships with national builders21:48 Price discovery and negotiation tactics22:58 The hard parts: cities, delays, and red tape25:17 Developer vs. investor roles and cash flow realities27:58 Targeting markets by following builder activity29:17 74-lot case study with numbers and margins31:03 When a local builder clouded title and how it played out33:16 Who Brandon serves and how to connect35:20 Closing thoughtsShownotes:[https://www.linkedin.com/in/hbgcapital/](https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.linkedin.com/in/hbgcapital/&sa=D&source=calendar&ust=1755437108684007&usg=AOvVaw1QCch1ov1G40DroLB4BBiC)

What if the fastest way to bigger land profits was learning density, not swinging hammers?In this episode, Jessey sits down with Ricardo “Revenue Rick” Giles to unpack how he finds value in the dirt, not the structure. From zoning and residential density to when he chops a parcel and when he develops, Rick shares a clear playbook you can use in any market.You’ll hear how he vets counties by days on market, why 60 cents on the dollar is his current offer anchor, and the simple pre-development moves that make land fly off the market.In this episode:- Zoning and residential density as the real profit drivers- A simple county test using DOM and price bands- Subdivide or develop, how Rick decides deal by deal- Mobile home packages for affordable demand

What happens when a pro hockey player walks away from the rink and reinvents himself in real estate?

In this episode, Jessey talks with Scott Morongell, who went from chasing pucks to chasing deals. After concussions cut his hockey career short, Scott dove headfirst into sales, multifamily syndications, and eventually found his stride in land investing.

You’ll hear how Scott pivoted through multiple business cycles, why he doubled down on land, and the creative strategies that keep him winning no matter where the market moves.

In this episode:

• From hockey injuries to building wealth through real estate

• Why land deals can outperform houses in profit and simplicity

• The marketing channel Scott trusts most in today’s market

• How to pivot, cut losses fast, and stay creative in business

Alex Toma didn’t just shift from commercial real estate to land investing. He transformed overlooked dirt into high-value deals using solar partnerships, zoning plays, and smart automation. In this episode, Jessey sits down with Alex to break down the systems, strategies, and mindset behind his rapid success.You’ll hear how Alex filters and evaluates land for solar, uses AI to streamline due diligence, and pulls off commercial plays that boost property value before resale.In this episode:- How Alex wholesales land to solar companies without buying it- Commercial zoning strategies that 10x property value- AI tools that help analyze deals and generate property visuals- The daily 50-text method that fuels high-quality leads

Running a land business from halfway across the world might sound impossible, but Efrat proves it’s not.In this episode, Jessey sits down with Efrat, an Israeli land investor and former architect who’s flipping land in the U.S. without ever setting foot there. From navigating a completely different bureaucracy to building a supportive land investing community in Israel, Efrat shares how she turned every obstacle into an advantage.You’ll hear how she launched her business with zero experience in U.S. real estate, what finally pushed her to hire a VA, and the unique ways she tailors her ads by truly understanding her buyers — all while juggling time zones and cultural gaps.In this episode:- How Efrat built a thriving U.S. land business from Israel- Why cultural awareness makes her a better marketer- What finally convinced her to hire help (and how it changed her business)- The power of learning by doing and mentoring others along the way

What if the best sales training didn’t come from a textbook — but from a Miami bar?

In this episode, Jessey chats with Jen Way, a real estate investor turned sales coach, who’s helped countless land investors close more deals by simply learning how to talk again. From her days behind the bar to flipping houses and buying land, Jen shares how conversation — not persuasion — is the foundation of great sales.

You’ll hear Jen’s journey from marine science grad to multi-faceted investor, and why she believes anyone can become good at sales with the right mindset and structure. No gimmicks. No pressure tactics. Just real rapport, real listening, and a whole lot of curiosity.

In this episode:

• How Jen went from wholesaling houses to coaching investors on sales

• Why “likability” isn’t about personality — and what to lean on instead

• Jen’s repeat-relate-resume method to unlock better conversations

• How to front-load objections before they kill your deal

Some investors go big to win big — but Hunter built a thriving land business by doing the opposite.

In this episode, Jessey sits down with Hunter to break down how he flips smaller, rural parcels at scale for outsized returns. You’ll hear how a college side hustle turned into a full-time business, why he avoids blind offers, and how he’s built passive income by offering seller financing to buyers who weren’t even looking.

With just two VAs and a tight system, Hunter is moving 100+ deals a year — using creative direct mail, a smooth checkout experience, and 27 marketing channels to keep his pipeline full.

In this episode:

• How flipping low-cost rural parcels led to 100+ deals a year

• Creative seller financing that converts casual browsers into buyers

• Direct mail strategies that stand out — without using blind offers

What if the land you buy could pay you monthly without flipping it, developing it, or lifting a finger?

In this episode, Matt Sands breaks down the world of mineral rights, a whole side of land investing most people overlook.

With over 26 years in oil and gas and now hosting The Mineral Rights Podcast, Matt shares how land investors can unlock passive income from what’s under the ground.

We’re talking royalties, pooling, deal structures, and how to find areas where mineral rights actually cash flow.

In this episode:

• What mineral rights are and how they really work
• How royalties are calculated and what those checks can look like
• Where the best states are for mineral investing
• What to watch out for before making your first mineral play
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What if your land offers weren’t just educated guesses—but backed by data, strategy, and AI?In this episode, Chris and Aaron share the pricing method behind their $500K+ land business. From using county-assessed values to anchor offers, to building consistency through neutral letter campaigns, their approach blends personal touch with data-driven systems.They also reveal how they use AI-powered tools to compare comps, assess markets, and avoid the spray-and-pray mailing method—resulting in smarter offers and higher ROI.In this episode:- Combine AI with comps for better offer accuracy- Target the right markets without guessing- Structure mail and follow-up for consistent deals- Build a lean land business without cold callingShownotes:[www.ailanddealz.com](https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.ailanddealz.com&sa=D&source=calendar&ust=1745090899026499&usg=AOvVaw1KWDrpy-g-KQeCkjllPOFN)[[email protected]](mailto:[email protected])