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This week, I have the pleasure of welcoming Betsy Winter to the podcast. Betsy and I were connected through Kiley Hanish, whom you might remember from our recent "Grieving Parents: A Decade Later" series. When Kiley introduced us, she mentioned that Betsy and I share a passion for supporting those navigating grief and trauma and a deep appreciation for somatic approaches to healing. "You two speak the same language," Kiley said, and she couldn’t have been more right.

Betsy’s work dives into the body’s innate wisdom and ability to guide us through some of life’s most challenging moments. Our conversation promises to explore themes of resilience, connection, and the transformative power of listening to the body. If you’re curious about how somatic practices can support healing after loss or trauma, you’ll want to lean in for this one. 

Betsy Winter is an experienced mind-body coach and somatic practitioner known for her effective methods in helping individuals transform profound loss and unresolved trauma into deep healing and embodied change. She believes in understanding individuals rather than pathologizing them, viewing each person as the expert of their own experiences. Her client-centred approach is aimed at those seeking self-discovery, deep healing, and sustainable change. Betsy is also a key contributor to the pregnancy and infant loss community, significantly involved in the creation and growth of RTZ HOPE's support groups, retreats, and provider resources. Her work is deeply influenced by the brief life of her daughter, Eliza, who was diagnosed with a severe heart defect and trisomy 18 at 31 weeks and stillborn at 41 weeks, and by her own journey of uncovering and healing from layers of unresolved complex trauma from early childhood neglect and abuse.

• Website: betsywinter.com/
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Today on the podcast I’m speaking with Keem Fares again, the mother of Karina, a spirited intelligent young gymnast, who died in a freak accident when she was 12 years old. 

In our conversation, we look back over a decade since Karina’s death, from the early grief to when we worked on the book Surviving My First Year of Child Loss in 2017 to now, 10 years after Karina’s death and the year that Karina would turn twenty. 

I highly recommend listening to the first episode (S3E25) with Keem, where she beautifully describes how grief has affected her life, her relationship, and her faith and how it has evolved from pure survival to how she experiences it now. 

Keem Fares is a non-profit professional who holds a leadership position in financial operations. Originally from Mexico herself, she met her husband in Cairo, Egypt, where they lived for 15 years before moving to San Diego, California in 2011.

Keem struggles to rediscover herself after the accidental death of her 12-year-old daughter, Karina, in 2015. She finds joy in her son Mark, and together with her husband, they rely on their faith in hope. They established Karina’s Joy Foundation to perpetuate Karina’s joyful spirit and giving nature through youth scholarships and acts of kindness.  

• Keem’s link: Instagram

Another episode with Keem: 

• S3 E25 How Grief Evolves From Survival

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I’ve spoken to today’s guest Tori in S4 E39 so I recommend listening to her personal story there. 

For today's episode, I invited Tori to speak with me about her experience, who is living just miles from where wildfires in California have recently devastated an entire community. Together, we talk about what it’s like to be so close to this kind of tragedy, the emotional impact on both survivors and those supporting them, and what we can do to help.

Tori Press is an artist, author, and anxious human being. She spent 10 years as a graphic designer before quitting to create some space in her life. In 2016 she bought herself a set of markers and began drawing pictures inspired by her yoga practice, mental health struggles, and everyday life. This decision started her on an extraordinary adventure of self-discovery and human connection. Her drawings help her cultivate mindfulness, gratitude, and self-acceptance–and she hopes they do the same for others!
 She is the author of two books: How to Feel Better, a companion and workbook for dealing with tough times (including grief and loss), and I Am Definitely, Probably Enough (I Think).

Tori’s links: Website | Instagram

Another episode with Tori:
S4 E39 When Grieving Dad Equals the Loss of a Challenging Relationship

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I’ve spoken to today’s guest, Shelby in S3E29 so I recommend listening to her personal story there. 

For today's episode, I invited Shelby back to speak about the topic of loss and/or trauma, at least for some, experienced following the most recent new election of the American president or how she worded it in one of her newsletters: “Thoughts for election despair” and how it affects her. 

Upon my invitation to speak with her for the podcast, Shelby wrote to me: “Full disclosure: I'll be coming with my progressive perspective as a woman, queer person, and grief business owner, so I really can't speak to the perspective of anyone who's overjoyed at Trump's return to office.”

Shelby Forsythia (she/her) is a grief coach, author, and podcast host. In 2020, she founded Life After Loss Academy, an online course and community that has helped dozens of grievers grow and find their way after death, divorce, diagnosis, and other major life transitions.

Following her mother’s death in 2013, Shelby began calling herself a “student of grief” and now devotes her days to reading, writing, and speaking about loss. Through mindfulness tools and intuitive, open-ended questions, she guides her clients to welcome grief as a teacher and create meaningful lives that honor and include the heartbreaks they’ve faced. Her work has been featured in Huffington Post, Bustle, Newsweek, and The Oprah Magazine. She considers herself a politically progressive, honoring her identities as a queer woman and grief guide.

Shelby’s links: Website | Instagram 

Other episode with Shelby: 

•  S3 E29 Mother-loss as a Young Adult 

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This week, I’m speaking with Meghan R. Jarvis again, who was a guest in seasons four and five. We speak the same professional language and, together, discuss the intersection of grief and trauma. 

Meghan just published another book called Can Anyone Tell Me? Essential Questions about Grief and Loss offers hopeful lessons on loss informed by rigorous neuroscience and biophysical science, communicated to readers in manageable, understandable bites and profound real-world stories.

Meghan Riordan Jarvis, MA, LCSW, is an author, podcast host, TEDx Speaker, and psychotherapist specializing in trauma, grief, and loss. After experiencing PTSD following the deaths of both of her parents within two years of each other, Meghan began speaking on a larger scale about the importance of understanding grief and supporting grievers. Founder of Tacking Point Partners, Meghan, and her team consult regularly with companies addressing grief in the workplace. Meghan’s “Grief is My Side Hustle” platform includes her popular podcast of the same name, her blog, and her free grief writing workshop “Grief Mates.” 

Meghan’s links: Website | Instagram

Other episodes with Meghan: 

•  S4 E41 How a Therapist Deals With Grief and Trauma
• S5 E49 Review of Trauma and Grief Modalities

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As the holiday season approaches, emotions around grief and trauma can intensify, especially during family gatherings. Tune into this episode with one of our favourite guests on the podcast, Rachel Tenpenny McGonigle (E1, E50 and E88) to gain insights into dealing with grief and trauma and explore effective ways to manage Christmas and grief. We will delve into how to navigate family gatherings when you as a member are dealing with recent loss and/or trauma. 

We aim to offer a safe space where you as the listener can find solace, learn, and empower yourself through shared experiences and professional guidance.

Helping people through grief is Rachel’s passion. After her twin baby daughters Aubrey and Ellie died in 2008, she made a promise to them that she’d learn how to heal after loss and share what she learned with everyone who wants to heal too. Rachel has spent over a decade making good on her promise and has helped hundreds of clients build a meaningful and purposeful life after loss.

Find out more on Rachel’s website: thegriefgal.com

Other episodes with Rachel:

•  S1 E1 Why and How Healing Is Possible 
• S5 E50 Cultivating Healing Versus Coping Mechanism
• S9 E88 Grieving Parents 10 Years Later

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Welcome to a special series of podcast episodes in honor of the 10th anniversary of my first book, Grieving Parents: Surviving Loss as a Couple, published in 2014. To mark this milestone, I’m reconnecting with the same parents I initially interviewed for the book, offering a unique opportunity to revisit their stories and gain a deeper understanding of their journeys—now, with the perspective of a decade.
The month of October was Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Month, this series is dedicated to showcasing how grieving parents have coped with their loss and trauma over the years. These episodes aim to offer a long-term view of life after the loss of a pregnancy or infant, providing comfort, insight and hope to those who may still be navigating their grief.
Additionally, I’m excited to offer Healing Steps, my audio course, at 25% off. I decided to extend this offer for another two months until the end of December. Use the coupon code HSOCT24 to access the course and begin your journey toward healing.

Alexa Bigwarte is Kathryn’s mother. 
Here is what Alexa shared in response to the biggest things that have changed about your grief over the 10 years: “Everything. My loss was relatively new when we first talked, now it's been almost 13 years. I see grief through a different lens. It's not raw anymore; my focus is completely on healing and continuing to heal, not staying stuck in the pain.”

Alexa Bigwarfe is an author, speaker, publishing consultant, and community builder. Her writing career began after her infant daughter passed away at two days old, and she turned to writing for healing. Her first book, Sunshine After the Storm, A Survival Guide for the Grieving Mother, has helped thousands of grieving mothers. Her most recent tool for grieving mothers, Sisterhood of the Healing Hearts: Permission to Thrive, A 6-Month Guided Journal for G

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I first encountered Tina Hedin through her poignant article 'We Didn’t Know It Was the Last Time' in The New York Times, where she shared the heart-wrenching story of her daughter Kiki's death. The raw emotion and profound grief expressed in her writing resonated deeply with me, touching a place of empathy and connection that few pieces ever have. Tina's ability to articulate the indescribable pain of losing a child, while also conveying a sense of resilience, left a lasting impact on me. Her story moved me personally and inspired me to invite her as a guest for the podcast.

Tina Hedin has reinvented herself many times. From punk rocker to textile designer, graphic artist to homeschooling mom, from entrepreneur to writer, she has let curiosity lead her evolution.
In the early 2000s, Tina, her husband Eric, and their young daughter Kiki, left suburban Florida to travel America. They lived and worked on the road for four years, eventually settling in New Hampshire.
In 2023, Kiki died at the age of 25 from a food allergy reaction. Following Kiki’s death, Tina closed her small business and focused on writing as a way to learn to live with grief.
Recently, Tina and Eric returned to a nomadic life, traveling the US full-time in an RV, and volunteering in state parks.
Tina has been published in the New York Times and writes about travel and learning to live with grief in her Substack newsletter Letters From Turkey Town.

• Substack: Letters From Turkey Town
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I first connected with today's podcast guest Whitney through her heartfelt and courageous posts on Instagram. Her vulnerability in sharing her journey through grief deeply resonated with me because we both realized, through our own traumatic experiences, that there isn’t enough conversation around grief and trauma. Like her, many of my clients aren’t prepared for the overwhelming emotions they face, making the process even harder. This shared understanding fuels my work every day—I show up to talk about grief because I don't want anyone to feel the same sense of isolation or confusion that so many do. And so does Whitney. Both of us are passionate about creating more space for these conversations and ensuring others know they aren’t alone in their journey.

Whitney Lyn Allen is first and foremost mama to her sons, Jackson (6) and Leo (2). She practiced law as a medical malpractice defense attorney for ten years before her husband had a severe reaction to a bee sting and sustained a severe brain injury, subsequently resulting in his death. Whitney decided to turn her pain into purpose and followed her new calling to serve others who are also experiencing grief and trauma and share her vulnerable and personal grief journey with others. She is the author of the book about grief and life after loss titled, Running in Trauma Stilettos, an Amazon Best Seller. Whitney is also a certified grief educator and provides grief coaching to those ready for their transformation and growth after loss. She shares the empowering message that there is so much beauty in life, even after losing a loved one. 

• Website: whitneylynallen.com
• IG: @whitneylynallen
• TikTok: www.tiktok.com/@whitneylynallen

Whitney's upcoming book (published in 2025):

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Welcome again to the How to Deal With Grief and Trauma Podcast Season 10.

HOW TO DEAL WITH GRIEF AND TRAUMA is completely self-funded, produced, and edited by me, Nathalie Himmelrich.
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Today marks a significant milestone as we step into the 10th series of the podcast, and this season we celebrate a landmark achievement—our 100th episode! 

Let's have a look back at the most popular episodes so far:

1. E4 Turiya Hanover | The Loss of Significant Partners in Life
2. E51 James Fish Gill | Bringing Loving Awareness To Your Pain Part 1
3. E1 Rachel Tenpenny | Why and How Healing Is Possible
4. E64 Turiya Hanover | Grief, Trauma, Essence, Connection and Safety
5. E40 Nathalie Himmelrich | Trauma and Its Impact on the Nervous System

This season, we’re welcoming back grieving parents who shared their stories with me over a decade ago during the interviews for my first book, Grieving Parents: Surviving Loss as a Couple. That book recently celebrated its 10th anniversary, and as we hear from these parents again, we’ll learn how their journeys have evolved over the years and how they continue to live with loss and love.

This season, I’ll explore how our nervous system processes traumatic loss and what happens when grief and trauma intertwine. I'll share some more insights from Polyvagal Theory and how this understanding can help you partner your body to regulate itself. 

Season 10 of the podcast will restart next Monday with episode #91. If you'd like to receive updates to never miss an episode and receive special invitations, only sent out to newsletter subscribers, please sign up for the weekly newsletter on nathaliehimmelrich.com.

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Nathalie Himmelrich
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