In this conversation, Coach TJ and Zoë discuss the use of salt pills during races, the benefits of drinking water, the preference for flasks over bladders, the use of pole quivers, why we quit cheap sunglasses, and the importance of setting outcome-oriented goals in racing. They also touch on Zoë's recent 50K race, TJ's training for Western States, and his decision to ski Mount Rainier. Zoë and TJ discuss training to get better at running uphill, including strengthening the posterior kinetic chain and how to get stronger on hills.