Karl discusses your mental wellness, how to improve it and treat it like your physical health, with expert coach, Neil O'Brien, as well Room to Improve's Dermot Bannon.

Neil outlines the three main areas you need to focus on and measure:
1. Mood management
2. Habit management
3. Resilience and recovery

While Dermot explains how he deals with stress and anxiety in his life, architecture and media work. He also talks about the importance of following your passion and how much he lives and loves architecture.

‘I go to be reading architecture books,’ he says. ‘The best building I will ever do is my last one.’

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