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  • Catholic Sacraments Make No Logical Sense: Placebo, Ritual, and Boundary Maintenance

    Are Catholic sacraments truly channels of divine grace—or just powerful human rituals? In this episode of Intrinsically Ordered, we question the supernatural claims behind sacraments like baptism and marriage. With guest Colin, we explore their historical roots, psychological impact, and striking similarities to rituals in other cultures. From a botched baptism to the Church’s evolving rules, we unpack what these rites really mean and why they matter. Join us for a critical, respectful look at belief, ritual, and the fine line between faith and magic.

    (00:00) - Critique of Catholic Sacraments
    (07:35) - Deeper Understanding of Catholic Sacraments
    (19:49) - Exploring Catholic Sacraments and Belief
    (31:16) - Complexities of Catholic Sacraments
    (35:47) - Development of Catholic Sacraments
    (39:50) - Sacraments as Ritual Magic
    (44:52) - Significance of Catholic Rituals
    (51:11) - Religious Unity and Understanding

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    53 min
  • Catholic Apologist vs Ex-Catholic Atheist: Evidence for God, Morality, and Catholic Infallibility

    Does faith require evidence, or is experience enough? In this episode of Intrinsically Ordered, I sit down with Noah from  ⁨@Jesus_and_Whatnot⁩   to debate Catholicism, the role of suffering, religious disagreement, and whether faith can be rationally justified. We dive into the toughest questions:

    Does the Catholic Church have clear moral teachings, or is it all contradiction?
    Why does God allow suffering, and is it truly necessary?
    If the Pope is infallible, why do Catholics disagree on so much?
    What would it take for an atheist to believe in God again?

    🔥 This discussion goes deep into Catholic apologetics, philosophical arguments, and the personal journeys that shape our beliefs. Whether you're Catholic, atheist, or somewhere in between, this episode will challenge your thinking!

    00:00 – Intro & Guest Introduction
    02:15 – What Led You to Question Catholicism?
    08:30 – The Problem of Religious Disagreement
    15:10 – Can the Church Be Unified When Even Priests Disagree?
    21:45 – The Role of the Pope in Resolving Confusion
    28:20 – Does Faith Require Evidence?
    34:10 – Why Does God Allow Suffering?
    41:00 – The Catholic Church’s Rules on Marriage & Morality
    48:30 – If God is Real, Why Doesn’t He Make Himself Clear?
    55:40 – Can the Church Even Define Mortal Sin?
    1:02:25 – Why Doesn’t the Pope Answer Dubia (Doctrinal Questions)?
    1:08:45 – What Would Convince an Atheist to Believe Again?
    1:14:00 – Does Religion Make Life Better or Worse?
    1:19:30 – Is Catholicism’s Appeal Just Suffering & Submission?
    1:22:10 – Final Thoughts & Wrap-Up

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    1 hr 23 min
  • 5 Things That Would Make Me Believe in God - Ex-Catholic Atheist On Divine Hiddenness & Interstellar

    After years of grappling with this question, I finally have an answer—thanks to Interstellar. This film unknowingly lays out the six conditions that could actually convince me a higher intelligence exists. But even if that were true… would it lead me to religion?

    Join me as I break down the philosophy, science, and religious implications behind Interstellar’s mysterious guiding force—and why it’s still a better "God" than any religious claim I’ve ever heard.

    00:00 - My Journey from Catholicism to Atheism
    00:24 - Interstellar and the Idea of God
    01:17 - The Ghost in Interstellar: A Clear Communication
    02:48 - The First Condition: Intelligent, Direct Communication
    05:16 - The Second Condition: Supernatural but Measurable Events
    06:12 - The Third Condition: Useful, Non-Trivial Knowledge
    07:37 - The Problem of Divine Hiddenness
    09:03 - Even If God Exists, Religion Still Fails
    10:51 - The Leap from God to Religious Dogma

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    16 min
  • I Debated Michael Knowles on Jubilee - Yes, Gay Marriage CAN Exist - DEBUNKING Bad Conservative Philosophy

    In this video, I break down my debate with Michael Knowles on Jubilee about the topic of same-sex marriage, philosophy, and conservative ideology. We go deep into metaphysics, logic, and how anti-LGBT arguments are structured to sound airtight—but fall apart under scrutiny.

    Michael and I come from the same religious movement, and I used to believe the same things he argues today. But as I studied philosophy and deconstructed my faith, I realized just how flimsy these arguments are.

    Stick with me as we explore nominalism vs. realism, the Texas sharpshooter fallacy, and why Michael’s claims on metaphysical reality don’t hold up. This video will equip you to counter these arguments in everyday conversations and protect our rights from bad-faith actors.

    00:00 - Introduction: My Debate with Michael Knowles
    02:30 - The Core Argument: Does Gay Marriage Exist?
    06:45 - Michael’s First Mistake: The Realism vs. Nominalism Trap
    11:20 - The Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy: Cherry-Picking History
    15:55 - Why Metaphysics Can’t Define Legal Marriage
    21:10 - The Logical Impossibility Fallacy (And Why It’s B.S.)
    26:40 - Why Michael’s Argument is Ultimately Religious, Not Logical
    32:15 - Final Thoughts: How to Counter These Arguments IRL

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    20 min
  • The WEIRD Reason The Catholic Church Wants To Control Your Sex Life - Trent Horn Debunked

    Catholic apologist Trent Horn recently posted a video titled "The Sex Questions Almost No One Can Answer", where he attempts to justify Catholic sexual ethics using Natural Law philosophy. But are these arguments sound?

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    As a former devout Catholic and apologist, I break down the flaws in this ideology and show how these outdated beliefs impact real people—through shame, control, and even political legislation.

    From ‘intrinsic evils’ to absurd rules on contraception, let's talk about why these arguments don't hold up and why you don’t have to buy into them.

    If you enjoy this content and want to support my work, join my Patreon for exclusive access to my Discord community of ex-Catholics, queer folks, and free thinkers. Let's have these conversations where they matter.

    Patreon: patreon.com/c/gayextrad
    Podcast: Intrinsically Ordered (Available on all major platforms)
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    00:00 - A Catholic Apologist's "Unanswerable" Sex Question
    01:35 - Why Non-Catholics Should Care
    02:23 - The Weird Catholic Obsession with Sex
    04:09 - Does Feeling Disgusted = Morally Wrong?
    06:42 - The Catholic “Natural Law” Scam
    08:32 - The Ethics of Consent vs. Catholic Control
    11:07 - The Debate Trick Catholics Always Use
    14:22 - Catholic Sexual Rules Are Wild
    18:07 - Sex, Marriage & Fertility: The Catholic Hypocrisy
    23:35 - The Rise of Catholic Theocracy in Politics
    29:18 - Leaving Catholicism & Finding Freedom

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    32 min
  • Finding Meaning Without God: Running A Thousand Miles, Secular Buddhism, Addiction, and Trauma

    In this episode of Intrinsically Ordered, I sit down with Jason—a long-time friend, ultramarathoner, and secular Buddhist—to explore life beyond dogma. We dive deep into questions of meaning, suffering, and personal transformation. Jason shares his journey from childhood trauma, addiction, and depression to healing, self-acceptance, and the liberating philosophy of secular Buddhism.

    We tackle the fear of leaving behind rigid belief systems, the reality of self-imposed suffering, and the beauty of finding your own path. Whether you’re deconstructing faith, seeking purpose, or just curious about running 200+ miles through the wilderness, this conversation is for you.

    🔹 The illusion of certainty in religion
    🔹 What it really means to "find yourself"
    🔹 The power of suffering as a teacher
    🔹 Ultramarathons as a metaphor for life
    🔹 Reframing trauma and choosing a new narrative

    If you’ve ever questioned what’s next after faith—or just want to hear an incredible journey of resilience—this episode is a must-listen.

    Timestamps:

    00:00 – Introduction & Guest Introduction
    01:18 – Why People Fear Leaving Religion
    03:06 – What If Life Has No Meaning?
    05:00 – Creating Meaning vs. Finding It
    10:59 – The Role of Suffering in Growth
    15:31 – How Religion Becomes a Coping Mechanism
    17:30 – Hitting Rock Bottom: Alcoholism & Trauma
    22:40 – Running From Pain vs. Facing It
    29:09 – The Turning Point: Therapy & Healing
    33:56 – How Trauma Affects the Brain
    40:17 – The Difference Between Pain & Suffering
    41:44 – Living in the Present: The Power of Mindfulness
    47:10 – What Therapy is REALLY Like
    50:48 – Running 250 Miles—Why Choose to Suffer?
    54:55 – The Mental Side of Ultra-Endurance
    59:46 – The Freedom of Letting Go
    1:04:05 – Choosing Your Own Path & Building Community
    1:10:22 – Finding Belonging Outside of Religion
    1:12:03 – How to Start Living YOUR Life Today
    1:28:18 – Final Thoughts & Takeaways

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    1 hr 35 min
  • 'just STOP being gay' - chastity speaker's desperate plea to end gay marriage (Jason Evert)

    What if you're gay but don't want to be gay? Jason Evert has the perfect solution, just hate yourself. He gives us a 'third option' to homosexuality where you can hate yourself, but publicly. Someone please patent this man's genius methods and scientific tests of what marriage must include.

    But in all seriousness, Jason Evert is the Final Boss of catholic apologists who do nothing but create word salads to confuse people and pad church teaching. He's the one that started me down the catholic rabbit-hole of chastity speakers & how to deal with SSA, so I figured I'd give a humorous response to his Ascension Presents video.

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    11 min
  • Can Gay Men Become Catholic Priests? Gay Ex-Catholics Explain Recent Italian Bishops' Document

    Why are young catholics sent to conversion therapy? Does the Catholic Church discriminate against gay men? In today's episode, I tell my story of being rejected from becoming a monk for being gay - or as they like to say: experience same-sex attraction. My co-hosts Colin (raised FSSP) and Ben (discerned a vocation) help me explain where the church stands on this issue.

    00:00:00 - Introduction: Gay Men and the Priesthood Controversy
    00:00:30 - The Reality: Many Priests Are Gay
    00:00:50 - Personal Stories: Discerning While Gay
    00:01:17 - Church Teachings and the 2005 Document
    00:03:13 - The Italian Bishops' Conference: What Was Actually Said
    00:05:52 - Deep-Seated vs. Transitory Homosexual Tendencies
    00:15:27 - Vocational Struggles for Gay Catholics
    00:25:35 - The Church’s Role in Conversion Therapy
    00:36:14 - Linking Homosexuality to Abuse: A False Narrative
    (I got lazy about creating chapters beyond that mark, haha)

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    1 hr 35 min
  • 'CHAIRS prove being gay is a SIN' - crazy pastor's terrible arguments (Father Mike Schmitz)

    Father Mike Schmitz (celebrity catholic priest) uses chairs to demonstrate teleology, and then makes anti-gay arguments from Theology of the Body. This approach fails in so many ways, and I don't think chairs are our best proof of teleology.

    I (a gay ex-traditional catholic apologist) give my reaction to his wild takes on teleology. This is the talk that convinced me when I was much younger to not be gay, so I figured I'd be fun to start my video-essays with an emotional reaction to his talk.

    00:00-01:12 - intro
    01:12-03:35 - don’t violate the nature of things
    03:35-04:44 - sex is only for procreation
    06:44-08:44 - his brother came out as gay
    08:44-10:33 - settle with just being friends
    10:33-11:45 - just be happy
    11:46-12:25 - my thoughts as a gay ex-catholic

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    13 min
  • Debunking the Catholic Church's Anti-Contraception Philosophy

    Let's dive deep into the Catholic Church's controversial teaching on contraception, its roots in outdated philosophies, and the societal impact of enforcing such dogma. From Humanae Vitae to the rise of "Theology of the Body," we'll critically examine how these doctrines shape attitudes toward birth control, women's rights, and personal autonomy. With years of theological study and firsthand experience within the Church, I explore why these teachings don't hold up under scrutiny—and why they're dangerous. Let's discuss how these views connect to the broader right-wing war on contraception and personal freedom.

    00:00 - The Catholic Church’s Most Oppressive Document
    01:05 - The Church’s Official Teaching on Birth Control
    02:04 - Why Non-Catholics Should Care
    03:03 - The Philosophy of Natural Law
    05:51 - Debunking Natural Law
    07:23 - Theology of the Body
    10:00 - Scare Tactics and Misinformation
    13:35 - The Church vs. Birth Control Science
    15:48 - Natural Family Planning (NFP)
    19:37 - The Global Consequences of Church Policy
    21:42 - The Real Reason Behind Church Teachings
    25:05 - The Hypocrisy of Church Leaders
    27:30 - Empowerment Through Choice
    29:33 - Closing Thoughts and Call to Action

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    31 min

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