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  • Former Sedevacantist Seminarian Kicked Out for Being Gay

    In this episode of Intrinsically Ordered, we sit down with a former Sedevacantist seminarian who opens up about his journey into one of Catholicism's most radical branches, his time in seminary, and the personal struggles that led him to leave the church altogether. From exploring the allure of certainty in faith to confronting deep-seated identity issues, this raw and eye-opening conversation delves into the intersection of belief, control, and personal freedom. Whether you're curious about high-control religious groups or seeking inspiration for your own journey, this episode offers thought-provoking insights and a powerful story of self-discovery.

    00:00:00 - Introduction and Welcome
    00:00:25 - What is Sedevacantism? A Quick Overview
    00:01:54 - Growing Up Fundamentalist: A Journey to Catholicism
    00:05:03 - Finding Sedevacantism Online and Entering Seminary
    00:15:03 - The Struggles of Seminary Life and Identity
    00:25:00 - Leaving Sedevacantism and Facing the Fallout
    00:30:00 - Advice for Those Doubting or Leaving High-Control Faiths
    00:33:40 - Life After Catholicism: Finding Happiness and Hope

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    36 min
  • Catholic Church Doesn't Know What to Do With Gay People

    The Catholic Church offers no solution for queer folks who follow its teachings, besides celibacy. There is no proven, approved way that a catholic can life their life following church teaching without getting in trouble with the church or laity. Nobody can agree on what to do except wait for heaven.

    00:00 - Intro
    00:25 - Background Documents
    01:41 - You Can't Be a Priest
    03:44 - You Can't Get Married
    04:29 - Singleness Isn't a Vocation
    07:01 - You Can't Make Real Friends
    09:13 - You Are Defective
    11:46 - You're Their Guinea Pig
    13:59 - Final Warning

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    16 min
  • Gender Expression & Anglican Spirituality: A Trans Priest's Faith Journey

    In this thought-provoking episode, we sit down with Barefooter, a minister in the Anglican tradition and a trans individual, to discuss their unique journey of faith and identity. From a childhood immersed in Protestant traditions to grappling with gender and sexuality, our guest explores the challenges of aligning personal truth with theological tradition. Join us for an honest and insightful conversation about theology, community, and the complexities of being fully human.

    00:00 - Welcome and Introduction
    00:06 - Barefoot Her's Religious Upbringing
    00:27 - Personal Faith and Church Culture
    00:56 - Discovering Gender Identity
    02:00 - Theology, Tradition, and Gender
    04:44 - Navigating Shame and Grace
    07:12 - Faith as a Tool for Integration
    11:37 - Final Reflections on Faith and Identity

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    36 min
  • Brandon Robertson: Deconstructing Christianity & How to Joining the Queer Community

    Join us as we dive deep with Brandon Robertson, a leading voice in progressive Christianity, to explore the intersection of faith, identity, and sexuality. From his journey out of evangelicalism to becoming a queer pastor and theologian, Brandon shares his challenges, insights, and the liberating message of his new book, Queer and Christian. Whether you're deconstructing your faith or seeking new perspectives, this episode will inspire and challenge your thinking.

    To pre-order Brandon's book and connect with his work, visit http://queerchristian.org/.

    00:00 - Welcome: Introducing Brandon Robertson and the topic of faith and sexuality.
    00:11 - Brandon’s Journey: From evangelical roots to queer theologian.
    00:52 - Finding God Beyond Boundaries: Brandon’s perspective on deconstruction and faith.
    02:20 - What is God?: A Christian agnostic’s view of divinity.
    04:45 - Challenges of Deconstruction: Facing fear and rebuilding identity.
    08:10 - The Queer Community as Sacred Space: Embracing liberation and authenticity.
    13:22 - Navigating Faith with Family: Balancing identity and tradition.
    16:54 - The Future of Progressive Faith: Brandon’s vision and new book

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    43 min
  • A Gay Independent Catholic Priest: Faith Beyond a Corrupt Hierarchy

    In this episode of Intrinsically Ordered, we sit down with an independent Catholic priest from the White Robe Monks of St. Benedict. Discover the story of how he found his calling in the independent Catholic movement, the challenges he faced as a queer person of faith, and the incredible work being done to bring compassion, inclusion, and spirituality to underserved communities. Whether you're curious about independent Catholicism, searching for spiritual connection, or inspired by stories of resilience, this episode offers deep insights and heartfelt conversations.

    To talk directly with Father Eugene-Joshua, visit https://wrmosb.co.za/ or follow his Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61569011062968&mibextid=ZbWKwL

    0:00 - Meet the White Robe Monks of St. Benedict
    0:24 - What Is the Independent Catholic Movement?
    1:08 - A Journey of Faith: From Pentecostalism to Independent Catholicism
    8:28 - Balancing Queerness and Spirituality
    20:22 - Compassionate Ministry: Serving the Community
    28:45 - Finding Hope in Humanity and Faith
    33:00 - How to Connect with an Independent Catholic Church

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    35 min
  • Toxically Masculine Evangelicalism, Homophobia in Latino Culture, and Half-Baked Apologetics: Keven's Story of Deconstruction

    In this deeply personal and thought-provoking episode of the Intrinsically Ordered Podcast, we’re joined by Kevin, who shares his journey of growing up in a strict Southern Baptist community while navigating his identity as a gay man. Kevin opens up about his struggles with faith, the emotional toll of reconciling religious teachings with his identity, and how he ultimately found peace and authenticity outside of organized religion. This is a story of courage, resilience, and the pursuit of truth.

    To hear more from Keven, follow him on IG @kevenrafael__

    00:00 - Welcome to the Intrinsically Ordered Podcast
    00:12 - Meet Kevin: Southern Baptist Upbringing
    00:25 - Childhood Faith and Religious Expectations
    00:59 - Realizing Identity: Early Struggles
    03:32 - Reconciling Faith with Sexuality
    08:14 - Gradual Doubts and Intellectual Journey
    16:00 - Deconstructing Religious Beliefs
    28:00 - Finding Peace Outside of Faith

    To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad

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    52 min
  • I Joined a Cult. This is how they convinced me to join (Cult Psychology 101)

    The FSSP (Fraternitas Sacerdotalis Sancti Petri) is a little known group of traditionalist who lead me to trying to join an ancient order of Carmelites and never see the outside world again. These two groups have held onto the customs, beliefs, and practices of the high-medieval Catholic Church. Here's a psychological reflection on how high-control religions work.

    00:00 - Intro
    01:04 - Why I Was Susceptible
    04:26 - A Sense of Belonging
    06:37 - Weaponization of Language
    08:53 - Simple Meta-Narrative
    11:23 - Undiagnosed Neurodivergence
    14:28 - Being in the Closet
    15:53 - Cognitive Re-Programming
    22:03 - Final Thoughts

    To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad

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    23 min
  • 'I Was A Servant to Catholic Priests' - Leaving the ICKSP/Traditional Catholicism: Dave's Story

    In this powerful episode of Intrinsically Ordered, we sit down with Dave, whose spiritual journey took him through Novus Ordo Catholicism, traditionalist Latin Mass communities, and eventually to leaving religion altogether. Dave opens up about being radicalized as a teenager, navigating his sexuality within strict religious frameworks, and ultimately deconstructing his faith. This candid conversation sheds light on the challenges of leaving high-control religious environments and finding hope on the other side.

    To hear more from Dave, visit his blog: https://outoffaith.org/

    0:18 – Growing Up Novus Ordo: Early Catholic Influences
    2:40 – Radicalization: Finding Traditionalism Online
    10:30 – Joining Religious Life: The Institute of Christ the King
    25:00 – Leaving Religious Life: Struggles and Breakthroughs
    35:40 – Deconstruction: Rebuilding Life Without Religion
    41:00 – Finding Meaning Beyond Faith: A Message of Hope
    44:25 – Closing Thoughts and Dave’s Blog, Out of Faith

    To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad

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    46 min
  • Catholic Therapist on Conversion Therapy, Coming Out, and Navigating Difficult Conversations in the Church

    Join us on the Intrinsically Ordered Podcast as Dr. Julia, a clinical psychologist based in Colorado, discusses the complex intersection of faith, sexuality, and mental health. Dr. Julia explores the history and controversies surrounding conversion therapy, reparative therapy, and reintegrative therapy while offering compassionate advice for individuals and families navigating these challenges. With insights into fostering understanding and building trust, this episode is a must-listen for anyone seeking to balance faith and personal identity.

    To learn more about Dr Julia's work, you can visit her website (https://www.juliasadusky.com/) or follow her on all social media platforms @drjuliasadusky. You can also join her patreon for exclusive lectures and join her community.

    00:00 - Welcome & Introduction to Dr. Julia

    00:15 - Understanding Conversion, Reparative, and Reintegrative Therapies

    03:07 - Do These Therapies Work? The Research & Realities

    06:20 - Addressing Harm and Shame in LGBTQ+ Therapy

    12:50 - Starting Conversations About Sexuality in Faith-Based Families

    27:15 - Dr. Julia’s Advice for Parents and LGBTQ+ Individuals

    30:56 - How to Find the Right Therapist for You

    31:35 - Where to Connect with Dr. Julia & Closing Remarks


    To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad

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    32 min
  • A Gay Catholic Priest's Last Mass

    This episode dives deep into the story of Father Jordan, a gay Catholic priest who recently celebrated his last mass before leaving the ministry. Through this personal and emotional account, we explore themes of faith, resilience, community, and the challenges of leaving a high-demand religious role. Joined by a supportive group of former clerics and laypeople, we reflect on the impact of religious trauma, authenticity, and the hope for new beginnings.

    00:00 - Introduction
    01:00 - Father Jordan’s Journey
    07:00 - The Decision to Leave
    14:00 - Supporting His Final Mass
    20:00 - Reflections on Faith and Trauma
    25:00 - A Message of Hope

    To join our discord community for $1 or to support my work/get early access to content, check out my patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextrad

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    19 min

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Exploring the intersection of queer identity and catholicism - sharing stories of those who've left, remained, and created their own journeys; providing commentary on the catholic church's harmful…

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