In Episode 227 of Hidden Forces, Demetri Kofinas speaks with Saagar Enjeti and Marshall Kosloff, the co-hosts of "The Realignment," an absolutely phenomenal podcast that consistently produces some of the best conversations at the intersection of politics and society that you will find anywhere.

They are both successful entrepreneurs and thought leaders in their own rights—Saagar Enjeti interviewed former president Donald Trump four separate times in his capacity as Chief Whitehouse Correspondent for the Daily Caller and currently co-hosts the immensely popular "Breaking Points" with Krystal Ball. Marshall Kosloff is an executive producer at "On Deck" where he also hosts "The Deep End," a podcast where he interviews visionary builders, creators, and experts with world-changing ideas related to the futures of commerce, higher education, governance, longevity, art, and more.

Demetri asked them both to come onto the podcast in order to help him better understand the forces driving dysfunction in American politics, along with phenomenon of rising public mistrust of institutions, and a deeping sense of paranoia in the body politic.

Saagar, Marshall, and Demetri spend the first hour of their conversation discussing how we got here, why the so-called "political experts" whose job it is to explain what's happening have consistently failed to do so, what the new political consensus is that's forming in American life, and what it is that the majority of Americans want—what in other words, would constitute a popular platform on which to not only run a successful campaign but from which to govern successfully or are these two things fundamentally incompatible in today's celebrity-driven, fake it till you make it culture that seems to reward the aesthetics over power in place of power itself?

The second hour of their conversation is spent discussing what Kofinas suggests may be a multi-decade breakdown in belief systems driven by a series of recurring failures, covered up by lies, succeeded by more failures like the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan, the 2008 financial crisis and its culture of never-ending bailouts, and most recently the Covid-19 pandemic and the confusing directives and open disregard by health authorities of legitimate public concerns around the vaccines, the risks associated with taking them, mandating who should take them, etc. This also opens the door to a conversation about the changing media landscape and the growing power of independent voices like Joe Rogan's to influence public opinion and force issues into the public square that would otherwise be deemed off-limits by those in positions of public authority.

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Episode Recorded on 01/04/2022