Jonathan Bailor is the New York Times best-selling author of the Calorie Myth and we break down why we can ditch calorie counting, reformulate our perspecives on exercise duration and escape our mechanistic view of the body. This is a very important conversation which goes well beyond calories and dives into the psychobiology of eating, philosophical perspectives self-optimization and more!

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