On a weekend of record heatwaves, to escape the crushing anxiety Thom and Patrick invite longtime collaborator Carol Carter on the pod to gauge her emotional sobriety after retiring from her longtime job. Thom shares some details about the attitude he’s trying to bring to his cancer diagnosis and treatment, while Patrick laments losing $750 in the space of five minutes, and how that challenged his emotional sobriety like few things in recovery have.

Check out our earlier podcast, Start Right Here, for an archive of amazing interviews and Emotional Sobriety-adjacent content with Allen and Thom:

https://pod.link/1525039302

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Allen’s book, 12 Essential Insights for Emotional Sobriety: https://www.amazon.com/12-Essential-Insights-Emotional-Sobriety/dp/1955415129/

Thom's book, Embracing Fear: https://www.amazon.com/Embracing-Fear-Turn-Scares-Greatest/dp/0062517759/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

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