Jon and Peter explore a deceptively simple but powerful concept: architecting how work gets done. Inspired by Profit Coach and shaped through years of trial and error, it’s more than systems and tools - it’s about intentionally designing workflows that enable scale, accountability, and freedom.

They start by defining what “done” looks like, then dive into tools like swimlane diagrams, task maps, and online forms - essential for hiring, training, delegation, and AI. Leverage doesn’t begin with tech - it starts with basics, like removing your phone number from the website so work flows through systems, not you.

Peter adds “policy courage”: the discipline to enforce structure, like requiring form submissions over ad-hoc emails. It’s inconvenient short-term, but essential for long-term capacity. They share examples - from refund forms to recruiting flows - showing how small workflow improvements compound into major gains.

This isn’t micromanagement - it’s about designing with intention, delegating clearly, and leading boldly.

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While a ton of business owners today are chasing the next AI hack or automation craze, Jon and Peter return to a foundational truth: leverage isn’t a tactic - it’s a philosophy.

Today they’re talking about “Matt’s Hierarchy of Leverage,” a napkin-sketch turned mental model that redefines how small business owners should think about time, talent, and tools. Rather than obsessing over AI for AI’s sake, they explore leverage as a quiet system of compounding returns: replacing complexity with clarity, chaos with delegation, and brute effort with thoughtful structure.

At its core, the hierarchy isn’t about removing yourself from the business - it’s about repositioning your energy where it matters most. From global talent to smart systems, from automation to delegation, each rung down the pyramid creates space to climb higher in impact. AI isn't magic; it's just another train in a well-built transportation system, but that system still needs the roads, trucks, and drivers to lay the path.

They challenge operators: What will you do with the margin you earn? More cash? Better product? A month off? There’s no right answer - only trade-offs.

Jon and Peter aren’t interested in glossy tech dreams or lazy business hacks. They’re here for the long game - where leverage is earned, not bought. Where progress isn’t driven by viral trends, but by disciplined execution. And where the true win isn’t freedom from work, but freedom to choose the right work.

In a noisy age of shiny tools, this is a blueprint for quiet scale.

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In a time where brands everywhere churn out content for clout, Jon and Peter make the case that there is power in focusing on niche over noise.

They talk about the difference between running a media business—one dependent on clicks, views, and CPMs—and running a business powered by media. The latter isn’t chasing virality. It’s using content to build trust at scale, with the right audience. A single engaged viewer—one potential customer who finds real value—can be more powerful than 50 million passive scrolls.

This mindset reframes media from a vanity metric machine into a quiet engine of asymmetric returns. A podcast that lands one high-value client? Worth more than thousands of empty impressions. A newsletter that converts 1.2% of readers into loyal customers? Incredibly high leverage, even if the list is modest in size.

Still, they wrestle with the usual considerations all operators think about: Should we do short-form? Do we really have to play the algorithm game? Peter and Jon push back against performative content, advocating instead for authenticity, audience clarity, and compounding trust.

Show up. Document. Speak with depth. Build a back catalog for the long game.

If you're a business owner in 2025 wondering where to start, forget growth hacks. Instead, record a podcast. Write a blog post. Hit “publish” once a week. In a year, you'll be stunned by the optionality and leverage you’ve created—not from volume, but from intentional signal.

In the end, lazy leverage is just focused effort, multiplied by time.

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In an age obsessed with scale, speed, and leverage, it’s easy to forget that the best long-term advantage might come from doing the exact opposite.

Call it the "Low Leverage Advantage."

When you're early in your career—or launching something new—there’s a strong case for diving into the work yourself. Not delegating. Not automating. Just doing. Need to onboard a new sales team? Write the first 20 cold DMs yourself. Building a new ops process? Sit next to the team member buried in outdated workflows and fix it together.

Why? Because high leverage comes from judgment. And judgment comes from getting close to the metal. It’s why executives driving Ubers for a week makes more sense than another offsite. Or why a CEO helping troubleshoot a Dropbox error can spark more productivity than another strategy session.

But the magic doesn’t stop at work. Trying to optimize your personal life with AI prompts and workflows? Terrible idea. Your kids don’t need you to delegate bedtime—they need you to show up. Presence is low leverage, but it’s high value.

The trick? Learn to oscillate. Plant with intimacy, harvest with leverage. Create media, but still get your hands dirty. Record podcasts, but stay close to the customer. Don’t chase scale so hard that you forget where insights come from.

Low leverage isn’t a step backward—it’s an intentional investment in depth. And if you document along the way, even the mundane becomes future leverage. Your dusty SOP doc? Might be the foundation of your next seven-figure business.

Leverage and scale will come, but only if you show up, do the work, and remain consistent.

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Most small business owners think leadership is instinctual—something you figure out once you’re “in charge”. But if your managers act like friends, choke on tough conversations, or drown their teams in bureaucracy—you've got a leadership gap that’s preventing you from taking your company to the next level..

Today, Jon and Peter break down why leadership is taught, not caught. Their message is simple: great companies don't just promote top performers and hope for the best. They train leaders the moment they’re knighted into management—and they make the expectations painfully clear.

It’s not enough to hand someone a team and hope they "figure it out." You have to define leadership (get the job done, care for, and retain your people), teach core skills (giving feedback, holding accountability without micromanaging), and most critically, create psychological safety.

Jon’s most important move? Running a weekly emerging leaders meeting—teaching frontliners how to think, fire, hire, and lead before the problems show up. Leadership isn’t about being the smartest guy in the room. It’s about creating the space for others to thrive and grow.

Culture isn’t just vibes—it’s the operating system of your company. Skip investing in leadership development, and you’ll be stuck wondering why no one takes initiative. Train your people to lead with clarity, courage, and care—and you won’t just survive—you’ll scale.

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Most business owners don’t think they have a “culture problem.” But if your team misses deadlines, seems afraid to speak up, or quits without notice—you’ve got one.

This isn’t a vibes issue. It’s a systemic one. Today Jon sits down with Sagan’s Head of Product, Binsi Das, to break down the hidden culture traps that derail global teams.

Here’s what’s happening: you’ve built a company with an egalitarian mindset—flat structure, open feedback loops, lots of autonomy. But half your team comes from hierarchical, low-context cultures. In many of these countries, employees don’t speak up unless asked directly, bosses don’t typically use Slack, and using AI can get you fired.

The fix? Awareness, structure, and trust. Know that culture isn't just where someone is from—it’s how they communicate, perceive authority, and handle feedback. Build memos, not just Slack rants.

Create explicit permission structures. Watch faces and tone as much as words. Start with small, low-stakes projects and coach confidence into your team, especially if they come from high-control backgrounds like BPOs or strict traditional offices.

Also, stop assuming they’ll just “get it.” People won’t magically unlearn 30 years of cultural conditioning because your company has a no-meeting Monday. Write things down. Give context. Be human.

And memo everything. Memos are the underrated superpower of leadership. They force clarity, reduce Slack flailing, and act as asynchronous coaching tools. They also turn you into a multiplier—not a micromanager.

Culture issues can sneak up on leaders of global teams in the form of rework, delays, confusion, and burnout among team members. But if you build systems that acknowledge the hidden rules people operate under, you won’t just manage your team—you’ll unlock them.

Remember: It’s not about hiring smarter—it’s about leading wiser.

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Google quietly dropped an AI tool that could replace half your tech stack.

Its name? NotebookLM.

Think ChatGPT, but with deep integration into your documents and a smarter memory. You can feed it PDFs, YouTube transcripts, Google Docs, or even random web pages. From there, it becomes like a supercharged research assistant that not only remembers what you’ve uploaded but cites it like a pro.

Sure, there are a couple of downsides: as of now, sharing is limited to people on the same Google Workspace, and there’s no API. But the upside is wild. You can create topic-specific notebooks—for example, onboarding, legal docs, or SOPs—and then just ask it natural language questions like “What were our last three hires?” or “What did I say in my journal about work-life balance?”

It's especially powerful for teams or solo entrepreneurs looking to offload some mental load. You can use it to prepare for meetings, craft a vivid vision for your company, or even build a repository of everything you’ve ever written or said. Instead of combing through old files or Slack threads, just ask.

We're on the cusp of turning years of scattered knowledge into a living, searchable, AI-powered archive. And it's free with Google. If Notion and Trello don’t adapt fast, they’re going to be toast.

Moral of the story: dump your docs into Notebook LM, talk to it like your most competent employee, and watch the magic happen.

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AI isn’t here to replace your team—it’s here to give them time back. Join Jon and Peter as they explore how the right interfaces and integrations can supercharge productivity across your org!

Jon kicks things off by sharing his vision: every new client should get a completely customized front end tailored to their needs—think “cars, not faster horses.”

He and Peter riff on the challenge of AI adoption at the ground level—how time-starved teams struggle to learn new tools—and the importance of delivering point solutions that are simple, embedded, and immediately useful. There’s an appreciation for systems thinking here–that true leverage comes from building thoughtful infrastructure.

Peter raises a great point about the power of centralized data. He’s excited about tools like Loveable, but acknowledges their real magic happens when all business data lives in one well-organized database. They reflect on past limitations—splitting data between platforms—and how new tools like Supabase and Airtable now make consolidation more accessible, especially with AI riding shotgun.

Finally, Jon and Peter dive deep into emerging AI tools like Lindy and Perplexity, ways to integrate Notion with natural language, and even the wild potential of GPT-4’s AI-generated images for marketing real estate!

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Imagine having a fully-functional website or landing page created in seconds, simply by transcribing your thoughts, turning it into a prompt, then hitting Enter.

Oh, and you don’t have to spend a cent to make it happen.

Now stop imagining. Enter Lovable, your “superhuman AI full stack engineer”. 

Today, Jon gives us a brief, yet life-changing overview of Lovable as he helps Peter build a custom CRM in real time. 

Jon walks us through just a few of the outputs that Lovable can make possible, from mortgage calculators to hiking trail apps–in multiple languages. We dive into how this breakthrough in AI is democratizing web development, making it possible for anyone to design and modify applications even without a coding background.

Jon and Peter also demonstrate how to connect your front-end with Airtable’s innovative back-end tools, and how to build upon your Lovable-built website with authentication and data storage architecture. 

Whether you're adjusting UI elements, reimagining your website’s aesthetics, or starting a brand from scratch, Lovable’s reshaped the playing field for good. And all we need to start taking advantage of this opportunity is to embrace a little creativity and playfulness!

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Ever wonder what happens when an entrepreneur stops trying to do everything and finds the right vehicle? Brandon Parker was juggling multiple businesses when he met Jon two years ago. Now he's running a team of 40+ and crushing it with Landy Leads. In this conversation, they break down exactly HOW that transformation happened. You'll learn why constraint-based thinking is the key to rapid growth, how to leverage global talent effectively, and the power of systems like Airtable for scaling operations. Plus, discover the "make errors visible" approach to building better processes and why your current tech stack might be secretly sabotaging your growth. If you're ready to stop working harder and start working smarter, this episode is your blueprint.

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(00:28) Introduction and Guest Welcome 

(01:35) Consulting Insights and Business Scaling

(05:05) Global Talent and AI Integration 

(07:39) Constraint-Based Thinking and Optimization 

(13:00) The Toyota Management System Approach 

(15:58) Sagan's Offerings and Continued Education

(25:45) Airtable Benefits 

(32:561) Effective Hiring Strategies and AI Integration 

(37:42) Optimizing Lead Qualification with AI 

(50:31) Final Thoughts and Endorsements

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