Lazy Leverage

By Jon Matzner and Peter LohmannBusiness

Lazy Leverage episodes

July 21 The Airbnb Tax Hack Is a Trap | Lazy Leverage #118
Every entrepreneur who writes their first six-figure check to the IRS hears the same pitch: buy an Airbnb, use the depreciation to wipe out your active income, save a fortune on taxes. Peter and Jon spent months looking at it. They're both saying no.
In this one: why the Airbnb tax hack is a trap, what post-economic living looks like, and the four escape routes every operator considers when the tax bill hits (and why most cost more than they save).

Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
01:17 - Peter's Two-Night Think Week
05:35 - Your First Six-Figure Check to the IRS
10:55 - The Four Tax Escape Options
13:05 - Donor Advised Funds & Foundations
16:47 - Starting a Business Just for Depreciation
22:25 - Read the Primary Sources
26:00 - Real Estate Professional Status & the Depreciation Play
33:45 - The Short-Term Rental Loophole (And Why It Sucks)
39:46 - The Sagan Retreat House Play
43:20 - Real Estate for Preservation, Not Deal-Making
54:08 - We're Post-Economic

References Mentioned in This Episode -

Books:
Grann, D. (2023). The wager: A tale of shipwreck, mutiny and murder. Doubleday.
The School of Life & de Botton, A. (2016). Small pleasures. The School of Life Press.
Forester, C. S. (1937). Beat to quarters. Little, Brown.
O'Brian, P. (1969). Master and commander. J. B. Lippincott.

Quotes Referenced:
Sam Altman (paraphrased): "Unless the opportunity is so good that it makes the rest of your career up to that point look like a footnote, you don't do it."

People & Frameworks Cited:
Thomas Kopelman, financial advisor at AllStreet Wealth
Moses Kagan, Adaptive Real Estate
Logan Rankin, real estate operator

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58 min
July 14I Locked 15 Business Owners in a Room to Solve AI. Here's What Works. | Lazy Leverage #117
Jon just put 15 business owners in a room in San Diego for 2.5 days. Everyone doing over $3M a year. Nobody selling AI courses. In this episode: the 8 rules Jon and Zaki (Sagan's President of AI) came out with, why theory of constraints filters every AI decision, the 4 levels of AI access every home services business needs (spoiler: don't hand Claude Code to your maintenance tech), and why almost everything you're seeing right now is faster horses. Plus a new benefit for Crane members announced at the end.

Chapters:
0:00 - Cold Open
0:49 - Welcome to Lazy Leverage
2:02 - Brought to You by Sagan Passport
3:19 - The Sagan X AI Event (15 Business Owners in San Diego)
8:24 - Rule 1: Global Talent + AI Agents Are the Same Pursuit
14:44 - Rule 2: Theory of Constraints Is the AI Money Filter
19:40 - Rule 3: The 4 Levels of AI Access in Your Company
31:26 - Rule 4: Experimentation vs Production
35:23 - Rule 5: Source of Truth vs System of Record vs Endpoints
44:30 - Rule 6: Perfectionism Is the Enemy of AI Adoption
49:44 - Rule 7: Everything Is a Technology Problem First
53:25 - Rule 8: Faster Horses vs Cars (Agent-Native Building)
58:30 - Announcement: Sagan Agent Builds for Crane Members
1:00:30 - Closing

References Mentioned in This Episode -
Books:
Goldratt, E. M. (1984). The goal: A process of ongoing improvement. North River Press.
Kim, W. C., & Mauborgne, R. (2005). Blue ocean strategy: How to create uncontested market space and make the competition irrelevant. Harvard Business School Press.
Porter, M. E. (1980). Competitive strategy: Techniques for analyzing industries and competitors. Free Press.
Roff-Marsh, J. (2015). The machine: A radical approach to the design of the sales function. Greenleaf Book Group Press.

Quotes Referenced:
Charlie Munger: "Technology can either help you or kill you. The difference is whether the customer gets all the savings or some of the savings go to shareholders."
John Maynard Keynes: "In the long run we are all dead." (Jon attributes this to Buffett in the episode. It's actually Keynes, from A Tract on Monetary Reform, 1923.)

People & Frameworks Cited:
Justin Roff-Marsh, Sales Process Engineering (Ballistix): https://ballistix.com/

Tools Mentioned in the Episode:
Claude Code, Claude Cowork, Gemini, Airtable, Postgres, Service Titan, Lead Simple, AppFolio, Rentvine, HubSpot

Related Reading:
Jon's full recap of the Sagan X in-person AI event with 13 takeaways from the room: https://lazyleverage.beehiiv.com/p/we-hosted-an-in-person-ai-event

Follow Jon: https://x.com/MatznerJon | https://jonmatzner.com/
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1 hr 2 min
July 07Why You Can't Put Your Phone Down (And How to Actually Fix It) | Lazy Leverage #116
Jon and Peter break down the two-step system Jon uses to put the phone down on weekends: uninstall the apps and route notifications through an AI agent so you never touch the dopamine loop directly. Also: Sagan's first in-person AI event in San Diego, and the 7 rules Jon and his team are using to actually make money with AI (as opposed to McKinsey slides and info-seller grift). If you can't leave your phone in the other room, this one's for you.

Chapters:
0:00 - Cold Open
1:03 - Welcome to Lazy Leverage
1:46 - Peter's Phone Addiction Confession
2:38 - Brought to You by Sagan Passport
5:10 - Mid-Career Entrepreneur Realities
6:40 - "I'd Light Incense to This Phone"
9:02 - The Weekend Uninstall Strategy
11:17 - The Codex + iMessage Split-Step
16:41 - The Dumb Phone Experiment
22:11 - Phones in the Bedroom: Give Yourself Permission
23:47 - The Apple Watch Solution
28:08 - Sagan's San Diego AI Event
28:56 - The Gap in AI Content Right Now
33:29 - Scoping Is Now Everything
37:55 - Rule 1: Cost Savings Is Just the Entry Point
39:00 - Rules 2-3: Frequent Work + Jobs Not Roles
39:53 - Rule 4: Build Against Your Constraint
41:35 - Rule 5: Build Drafts, Not Ships
45:24 - Rule 6: Your Software Stack Is Strategic
47:33 - Rule 7: First Builds Should Leave Assets Behind
49:03 - Why Sagan Is Positioned for AI
50:18 - Adverse Selection & Kidnapping Insurance
54:33 - Closing

References Mentioned in This Episode -

Books:
Reese, J. (2011). Make the bread, buy the butter: What you should and shouldn't cook from scratch--over 120 recipes for the best homemade foods. Free Press.

Podcasts Referenced:
EconTalk with Russ Roberts: https://www.econtalk.org/
Stuff You Should Know: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-stuff-you-should-know-26940277/

People & Frameworks Cited:
Justin Roff-Marsh, Sales Process Engineering (Ballistix): https://ballistix.com/
Cedric Chin's Commoncog: https://commoncog.com/

Tools Mentioned in the Episode:
Codex (OpenAI): Jon's iMessage-to-Codex agent workflow
Claude Code: Jon's daily driver
Beehive: Peter's newsletter platform (used in his Twitter DM automation)

Related Reading:
Jon's full recap of the Sagan X in-person AI event with 13 takeaways from the room: https://lazyleverage.beehiiv.com/p/we-hosted-an-in-person-ai-event

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Schedule a free consulting session: https://saganpassport.com/free-consultation

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55 min
June 30Why You're Tracking 74 KPIs and Still Going Broke | Lazy Leverage #115
Jon and Peter break down the simplifying framework quietly running their entire business strategy: the 2 numbers every CEO needs to track, pulled from Justin Roff-Marsh's speed-based operating system and theory of constraints. Why most business owners track 74 KPIs that don't matter. Why your bottleneck is the most profitable thing in your business. The 2-system model (business as usual vs growth) that stops your operations team from stealing resources from your marketing engine.

Chapters:
0:00 - Cold Open
0:49 - Welcome to Lazy Leverage
1:11 - Today's Topic: Theory of Constraints
2:11 - Knowledge = The Ability to Predict
3:21 - The $10M Test (Kayvon's Investment Banker Insight)
4:46 - Inorganic Growth as a Valuation Multiplier
5:32 - Is Your Business Chaotic? The Flowchart
8:33 - How to Select Your Constraint
10:18 - Celebrate the Constraint
14:32 - Two Systems: Business as Usual + Growth
16:53 - Why BAU Robs Resources From Growth
18:13 - The 2 Numbers Every CEO Should Track
20:54 - Hormozi: Profit Is Unnatural
22:33 - Productivity of the Constraint (Contribution Margin)
26:00 - On-Time Task Completion of Non-Constraints
27:37 - Simplicity Is the Ultimate Sophistication
32:25 - Why Software Doesn't Report These Numbers
37:10 - Peter on Phone Addiction
38:37 - The Sacrificial Lamb Trick
41:15 - Andrew Carnegie's "Suggestions, Not Orders"
42:15 - Closing

References Mentioned in This Episode -

Books:
Carnegie, A. (1920). The autobiography of Andrew Carnegie. Houghton Mifflin.
Geneen, H., & Moscow, A. (1984). Managing. Doubleday.
Goldratt, E. M. (1984). The goal: A process of ongoing improvement. North River Press.
Roff-Marsh, J. (2015). The machine: A radical approach to the design of the sales function. Greenleaf Book Group Press.

Articles & Newsletters:
Cedric Chin's Commoncog (knowledge as ability to predict): https://commoncog.com/
Commoncog: There Is No Truth in Business, Only Knowledge: https://commoncog.com/no-truth-in-business-only-knowledge/

Justin Roff-Marsh, Sales Process Engineering (Ballistix): https://ballistix.com/

Quotes Referenced:
Leonardo da Vinci: "Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication." [cited via Jordan Muela's email signature]

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Follow Peter: https://x.com/pslohmann | https://www.peterlohmann.com/

🌎 Brought to you by Sagan Passport: https://saganpassport.com
Schedule a free consulting session: https://saganpassport.com/free-consultation

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43 min
June 23He Quit Private Equity to Buy a $5M Pool Business | Lazy Leverage #114
Jon sits down with Austen Ebenger, a 28-year-old Wharton undergrad and NYU Stern MBA who left private equity in Boston, moved back in with his parents, and bought a $5.4M pool construction business in Orlando. In the first 90 days he lost $200,000 on a permitting disaster. A Zimbabwe hire with zero permitting experience fixed it. Inside: how he found a stale BizBuySell listing, why he skipped Q of E, why he uses global talent to upgrade quality, and his thesis for buying adjacent businesses next.

Chapters:
00:00 Cold Open
00:52 Welcome to Lazy Leverage
01:34 Penn & Wharton Banter
02:18 Austen's Path: Wharton → Stern → PE
04:02 Brought to You by Sagan Passport
05:36 The Self-Funded Search Process
07:09 Why He Avoided Buy-Side Brokers
08:49 Finding the Deal on BizBuySell
10:22 Getting His Florida Contractor License
11:59 Deal Terms: 10% Down, No Q of E
12:45 Service Provider Shoutouts (Benchmark, Hsu, Hettich)
18:23 The $200K Permitting Disaster
20:29 The Zimbabwe Hire That Saved the Business
23:12 Hire for Attributes, Not Experience
25:48 Hard Chargers vs Steady State People
28:24 The 3 Things Orgs Don't Naturally Do
33:55 Sagan Hires: Permitting & Colombian Drafter
36:42 Building an Anti-Fragile Organization
40:03 Notion as the Agentic Brain
42:54 River-Proofing Your Standards Docs
47:23 The Big John Lesson
50:08 The Industry Thesis: Global Talent + Acquisitions
56:03 Two Businesses Inside Every Business
58:32 Closing & How to Reach Austen

References Mentioned in This Episode -

Books:
Goldratt, E. M. (1984). The goal: A process of ongoing improvement. North River Press.
Guidara, W. (2022). Unreasonable hospitality: The remarkable power of giving people more than they expect. Optimism Press.
Roff-Marsh, J. (2015). The machine: A radical approach to the design of the sales function. Greenleaf Book Group Press.

Speeches & Quotes Referenced:
Roosevelt, T. (1910, April 23). Citizenship in a republic ["The Man in the Arena" speech, delivered at the Sorbonne, Paris].
Tyson, M. (1987). "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth" [interview quote].

Service Providers & Resources:
Benchmark International (M&A broker): https://www.benchmarkintl.com/
Eric Hsu, Lawyer 4 SMBs (closing attorney): https://lawyer4smbs.com/
Brad Hettich, Commercial Lending X (SBA loan): https://commerciallendingx.com/
BizBuySell: https://www.bizbuysell.com/

Previous Episode Referenced:
Lazy Leverage with Yossi Wachtel (reverse hospitality, Monkey Wrench Plumbing): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=295DTy6vOAU

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Follow Austen: https://www.linkedin.com/in/austenebenger/ | https://southernpooldesigns.com/

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58 min
June 16The 3 Levels of Buying Back Your Time | Lazy Leverage #113
You have money. You don't have time. Jon and Peter break down the 3-level hierarchy of buying back your time, pulled from Dan Martell's framework by way of a viral Jeremy Haynes post. Cleaners and food delivery. House managers and executive assistants. A-player specialists who replace you in your highest-earning role. Underneath it: the inherited money scripts that stop business owners from using money to buy themselves a life, and Jon's argument for why he STILL doesn't have an EA. If you've ever felt rich on dollars and bankrupt on hours, this one's for you.

Chapters:
0:00 Cold Open
0:28 Welcome to Lazy Leverage
1:34 Jon's Obsidian + Claude Code GTD System
9:00 Atomic Units & The Morning Brief
11:47 Brought to You by Sagan Passport
13:06 Topic: The Hierarchy of Buying Back Your Time
14:54 Set an Aspirational Hourly Rate
17:56 The Entrepreneurship Floor Strategy
22:44 Level 1: Why People Don't Hire Cleaners
24:00 Money Scripts (Ramit Sethi)
26:56 The Guilt of Having Help
30:57 Using Money to Fill Your Own Cup
39:53 Level 2: House Manager + Executive Assistant
44:09 Jon's "Do Less" Anti-EA Philosophy
51:18 Level 3: A-Player Specialists
56:19 Getting Comfortable With 80%
59:02 Spending Money Is a Skill
1:01:21 Money Doesn't Buy Happiness? Try a Night Nurse
1:03:01 Things That Create Experiences
1:04:44 Closing Thoughts

References Mentioned in This Episode -

Books:
Allen, D. (2001). Getting things done: The art of stress-free productivity. Penguin.
Ferriss, T. (2007). The 4-hour workweek: Escape 9-5, live anywhere, and join the new rich. Crown.
Goldratt, E. M. (1984). The goal: A process of ongoing improvement. North River Press.
Jorgenson, E. (2020). The almanack of Naval Ravikant: A guide to wealth and happiness. Magrathea Publishing.
Martell, D. (2023). Buy back your time: Get unstuck, reclaim your freedom, and build your empire. Portfolio.
Sethi, R. (2009). I will teach you to be rich: No guilt. No excuses. No B.S. Just a 6-week program that works. Workman Publishing.

Articles & Source Posts:
Jeremy Haynes (original "Hierarchy of buying back your time" post that inspired the episode): https://x.com/thejeremyhaynes

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1 hr 6 min
June 09The Survival Guide for Outgunned Small Operators | Lazy Leverage #112
Jon and Peter take MCDP 1 Warfighting, the Marine Corps manual Jon hands every new Sagan hire, and apply it to small business. Why small companies beat bigger ones with maneuver instead of attrition, how commander's intent runs a team better than any process doc, and what to do the next time someone on your team makes a $50,000 mistake. If you're tired of being the bottleneck on every decision, this one's for you.
0:00 Cold Open
1:24 Welcome to Lazy Leverage
2:52 Brought to You by Sagan Passport
4:11 Broker Owner Recap & PM Trends 2026
5:53 Sagan's Async Education Pivot
8:32 Today's Topic: MCDP 1 Warfighting
9:08 Business as a Nonlinear System
12:56 Clausewitz on Friction
15:07 Attrition vs Maneuver Warfare
19:05 Speed and Focus as Weapons
20:43 Surfaces and Gaps
25:12 Building Strategic Positioning (Porter & Blue Ocean)
29:08 Harmonious Initiative
30:40 Defining the Main Effort
32:15 Commander's Intent
36:10 Mission Tactics: The Leadership Promise
42:40 How You Handle Mistakes
46:05 Leadership Death Zones
54:27 Acting Decisively With Incomplete Information
56:18 Closing Thoughts

- References Mentioned in This Episode

Books:
Crabtree, G. (2011). Simple numbers, straight talk, big profits!: 4 keys to unlock your business potential. Greenleaf Book Group Press.
Gerber, M. E. (1995). The E-myth revisited: Why most small businesses don't work and what to do about it. HarperBusiness.
Kim, W. C., & Mauborgne, R. (2005). Blue ocean strategy: How to create uncontested market space and make the competition irrelevant. Harvard Business School Press.
Porter, M. E. (1980). Competitive strategy: Techniques for analyzing industries and competitors. Free Press.
Sun Tzu. (2009). The art of war (L. Giles, Trans.). Pax Librorum. (Original work published ca. 500 B.C.E.)
U.S. Marine Corps. (1997). Warfighting (Marine Corps Doctrinal Publication 1). Department of the Navy.
von Clausewitz, C. (1989). On war (M. Howard & P. Paret, Eds. & Trans.). Princeton University Press. (Original work published 1832)
Wickman, G. (2012). Traction: Get a grip on your business. BenBella Books.

Reports & Case Studies:
PM Trends 2026 Report (Lohmann, Muela, Parsons, Hahn): https://pmtrends.com/
NARPM Accounting Standards: https://www.narpm.org/education/narpm-accounting-standards/
Cirque du Soleil Blue Ocean Case Study: https://www.blueoceanstrategy.com/blue-ocean-strategy-examples/cirque-du-soleil/

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58 min
June 02We Stopped Building Software. We Build LEGO Bricks Now. | Lazy Leverage #111
Jon sits down with Zaki Mahomed, Sagan's President of AI, to expose the LEGO brick strategy behind 50+ AI agent deployments. Why most AI projects die before they launch, the $500 agent that beats $25,000 SaaS contracts, and the brutal gap between weekend vibe coding and actually shipping AI inside your real business. If you've ever thought your business needed AI but had no clue where to start, watch this.

Chapters:
0:00 Cold Open
0:30 Welcome to Lazy Leverage
2:33 Brought to You by Sagan Passport
3:53 50+ AI Agents and Counting
6:15 From SaaS to SMB Land
9:55 The LEGO Brick Strategy
15:50 Why $20K Scoping Sessions Are Dead
17:50 One Brick at a Time
20:30 Agents vs SaaS: The Real Difference
25:35 The Inverted Onboarding Insight
27:05 Go-To-Market Lessons SMBs Are Missing
30:25 Tactical Plays: Photo Aging & License Numbers
33:10 Point AI at the Right Constraint
35:10 The Weekend Vibe Coding Gap
38:55 Closing Thoughts

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Follow Zaki: https://www.linkedin.com/in/zakimahomed/

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40 min
May 26 Until You Manage Time, You Can Manage Nothing Else | Lazy Leverage #110
Peter and Jon go deep on the one system that everything else depends on: time. They get into why every other tool, system, or hire is downstream of your ability to manage time, how to say no to almost everything, and why creating white space in your calendar is more valuable than filling it. Plus why AI makes this both better and much worse if you're not careful.

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53 min
May 19 From One Truck to 100 Employees: The Hospitality Obsession Behind Monkey Wrench | Lazy Leverage #109
Jon sits down with Yossi Wachtel, owner of Monkey Wrench Plumbing, Heating, Air & Electric in Los Angeles. Yossi built from one truck in 2007 to 100 plus employees in one of the hardest markets in the country. They get into his obsession with hospitality and what he calls reverse hospitality, how Nexstar changed everything, why global talent sharpened his accountability, and why deep industry expertise combined with AI curiosity is the real competitive edge of the next decade. This one hits different if you're in the trades.

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Learn more about Monkey Wrench: https://www.monkeywrenchplumbers.com/

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1 hr 4 min