After a year of waiting, planning, and intensive physical training, Liz is finally in Peru. This is a short update on how the first bit of her trip went; we'll be back in a few weeks for a full Peruvian recap, what we did this summer, and what's coming up next for Lizness School.

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Today's guest is Roberta Katz, Liz's faculty advisor at Stanford last year. Roberta is so fun to talk to. She's a senior research scholar at the Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences at Stanford and a PhD Anthropologist. She is the author of the book Gen Z, Explained, a project she describes to Liz as a "second glass of wine idea." Roberta also holds as a law degree, and was previously the General Counsel of McCaw Cellular Corporation (now AT&T Wireless) and then of Netscape Corporation. From 2004 to 2017, she served under Stanford University Presidents John Hennessy and Marc Tessier-Lavigne as the Associate Vice president for Strategic Planning at Stanford.

Sponsor:

Welcome to our new sponsor Stanford Federal Credit Union. 

To use their $625 New Member offer, go to sfcu.org/lizness

HOMEWORK: 

For more on Roberta Katz and her research on Gen Z, here are links to her book and a couple of podcast interviews:

Book: GenZ Explained - The Art of Living in a Digital Age by Roberta Katz, Sarah Ogilvie, Jane Shaw and Linda Woodhead

Podcast Interview: 4 Quarter Lives 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8r7TNxyxw4

The Minor Consult from Stanford Medicine

Intergenerational anthropological field work recommended by Leah! 

• Talk to a Gen Z or Millennial in your life, ask them what’s going on and how they feel about it. Tell them about the upheavals that you remember from growing up and how you felt and how you processed.

• Find an activity that occurs on a semi-regular basis that you can join, like a book club or art class or whatever, that puts you around folks of all ages. 

If you are new to Lizness School, we suggest you listen to Season 1 to hear all about Liz's year as a Stanford Fellow. Everything from Neuroscience and Chinese History to Pickleball! Plus a great community experience with her fellow DCI Fellows.

Season 2 is about how she puts her lessons to work in the wild with the help of her millennial mentor Leah Sutherland.

To listen to Liz +. Leah's recap of Lizness School Season 1, go to our FINALE here.

For more on Liz Dolan, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠

For more on Liz's work in podcasting, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠Satellite Sisters⁠⁠⁠⁠

Follow Lizness School on all podcasting platforms including ⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify.⁠⁠⁠⁠

On Instagram, follow the show at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/liznessschool/⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow Liz at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/satellitesisterliz/⁠⁠⁠⁠.

Follow Producer and Millennial Mentor Leah Sutherland @leahhsutherlandd on Instagram and Leah Sutherland on LinkedIn. 

To email Lizness School with your own voice memos/questions/thoughts/suggestions for Liz or Leah, use ⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]

The Distinguished Careers Institute is a unique program for late career people. Fellows are graduate students at Stanford University, able to take classes in any area. ⁠⁠⁠⁠Complete information here.⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Today's the day Leah Sutherland finally presents her Shrek thesis. Is Shrek The Movie the voice of the millennial generation? And if so, why? At Lizness School, our academic standards are loose, but we do demand that your ideas be interesting AND entertaining.

Liz will evaluate Leah's today.

Our next episode will be our Season 2 Finale, a time of reflection by Liz on what, if anything, she's learned since her year at Stanford's Distinguished Careers Institute. She just got home from her DCI reunion in Palo Alto and has thoughts.

If you are new to Lizness School, we suggest you listen to Season 1 to hear all about Liz's year as a Stanford Fellow. Everything from Neuroscience and Chinese History to Pickleball! Plus a great community experience with her fellow DCI Fellows.

Season 2 is about how she puts her lessons to work in the wild with the help of her millennial mentor Leah Sutherland.

To listen to Liz +. Leah's recap of Lizness School Season 1, go to our FINALE here.

For more on Liz Dolan, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠

For more on Liz's work in podcasting, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠Satellite Sisters⁠⁠⁠⁠

Follow Lizness School on all podcasting platforms including ⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify.⁠⁠⁠⁠

On Instagram, follow the show at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/liznessschool/⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow Liz at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/satellitesisterliz/⁠⁠⁠⁠.

Follow Producer and Millennial Mentor Leah Sutherland @leahhsutherlandd on Instagram and Leah Sutherland on LinkedIn. 

To email Lizness School with your own voice memos/questions/thoughts/suggestions for Liz or Leah, use ⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]

The Distinguished Careers Institute is a unique program for late career people. Fellows are graduate students at Stanford University, able to take classes in any area. ⁠⁠⁠⁠Complete information here.⁠⁠⁠⁠

Email the podcast at ⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected] ⁠

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Every course has a refresher class at the end of the year so Lizness School does, too. Today you'll get a set-up for the end of season 2 and a refresher for all of Season 1. Liz and Leah review what they learned when it comes to community, purpose and wellness. After this Refresher, there are two more episodes to go this year - the Shrekisode and the Lizness School S2 Finale which Liz will do after she gets home from her Stanford DCI Reunion. Be sure to Follow or Subscribe.

Until then:

If you want to connect with Tara James about her vision to provide free college counseling to high school students who need it, email us at [email protected] and we will forward.

We are still interested in YOUR side quests, so email us with the deets! Voice memos are welcome, too. [email protected]

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If you are new to Lizness School, we suggest you listen to Season 1 to hear all about Liz's year as a Stanford Fellow. Everything from Neuroscience and Chinese History to Pickleball! Plus a great community experience with her fellow DCI Fellows.

Season 2 is about how she puts her lessons to work in the wild with the help of her millennial mentor Leah Sutherland.

For more on Liz Dolan, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠

For more on Liz's work in podcasting, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠Satellite Sisters⁠⁠⁠⁠

Follow Lizness School on all podcasting platforms including ⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify.⁠⁠⁠⁠

On Instagram, follow the show at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/liznessschool/⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow Liz at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/satellitesisterliz/⁠⁠⁠⁠.

Follow Producer and Millennial Mentor Leah Sutherland @leahhsutherlandd on Instagram and Leah Sutherland on LinkedIn. 

To email Lizness School with your own voice memos/questions/thoughts/suggestions for Liz or Leah, use ⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]

The Distinguished Careers Institute is a unique program for late career people. Fellows are graduate students at Stanford University, able to take classes in any area. ⁠⁠⁠⁠Complete information here.⁠⁠⁠⁠

Email the podcast at ⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected] ⁠

See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Side Quests are a key pillar of Lizness School. Today on Season 2 Episode 20, 3 listeners share their side quest stories with us. Thank you to Corey DuBrowa, Mary Warwick and Tara James.

More on Corey's music writing:

Corey's current book “An Ideal For Living” https://hozacrecords.com/product/aifl/

Fast Company, Corey in “day gig” mode: https://www.fastcompany.com/user/coreydubrowa

Rolling Stone, the most clicked-upon thing he's written in the music world:https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/live-report-north-by-northwest-110891/ 

Corey's new book coming out Spring 2026 is "Twelve Tunes From Urban Bohemia: Portland's Musical History in Song"

For more on Mary's stand-up comedy, go here: https://www.marywarwickcomedy.com/

More on Mary Warwick at Erma Bombeck's Writer's Workshop

If you want to connect with Tara James about her vision to provide free college counseling to high school students who need it, email us at [email protected] and we will forward.

We are still interested in YOUR side quests, so email us with the deets! Voice memos are welcome, too. [email protected]

THANK YOU to our podcast sponsor Stanford Federal Credit Union. 

To use their $625 New Member offer, go to sfcu.org/lizness

If you are new to Lizness School, we suggest you listen to Season 1 to hear all about Liz's year as a Stanford Fellow. Everything from Neuroscience and Chinese History to Pickleball! Plus a great community experience with her fellow DCI Fellows.

Season 2 is about how she puts her lessons to work in the wild with the help of her millennial mentor Leah Sutherland.

To listen to Liz +. Leah's recap of Lizness School Season 1, go to our FINALE here.

For more on Liz Dolan, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠

For more on Liz's work in podcasting, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠Satellite Sisters⁠⁠⁠⁠

Follow Lizness School on all podcasting platforms including ⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify.⁠⁠⁠⁠

On Instagram, follow the show at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/liznessschool/⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow Liz at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/satellitesisterliz/⁠⁠⁠⁠.

Follow Producer and Millennial Mentor Leah Sutherland @leahhsutherlandd on Instagram and Leah Sutherland on LinkedIn. 

To email Lizness School with your own voice memos/questions/thoughts/suggestions for Liz or Leah, use ⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]

The Distinguished Careers Institute is a unique program for late career people. Fellows are graduate students at Stanford University, able to take classes in any area. ⁠⁠⁠⁠Complete information here.⁠⁠⁠⁠

Email the podcast at ⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected] ⁠

See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

On today's Lizness School, we hear two stories from listeners whose big transitions were not by choice. First we talk to Kathy Douglass, who lost her husband Ron last fall. Since then, she's sold or packed or shipped everything and moved from Minnesota to a town in France she'd never even visited before. Then Liz reads from a message from Doris Matter, who shares what her life as a widow is like on what would have been her 50th wedding anniversary. There's no right way to adjust to losing a partner. There's only your way. Email us about your experience with a life-changing transition at [email protected].

Also today, update from Leah who ran her half marathon! Woo hoo! And an advance look at the next few episodes including our special Side Quests episode coming up next.

Sponsor:

THANK YOU to our podcast sponsor Stanford Federal Credit Union. 

To use their $625 New Member offer, go to sfcu.org/lizness

If you are new to Lizness School, we suggest you listen to Season 1 to hear all about Liz's year as a Stanford Fellow. Everything from Neuroscience and Chinese History to Pickleball! Plus a great community experience with her fellow DCI Fellows.

Season 2 is about how she puts her lessons to work in the wild with the help of her millennial mentor Leah Sutherland.

To listen to Liz +. Leah's recap of Lizness School Season 1, go to our FINALE here.

For more on Liz Dolan, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠

For more on Liz's work in podcasting, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠Satellite Sisters⁠⁠⁠⁠

Follow Lizness School on all podcasting platforms including ⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify.⁠⁠⁠⁠

On Instagram, follow the show at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/liznessschool/⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow Liz at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/satellitesisterliz/⁠⁠⁠⁠.

Follow Producer and Millennial Mentor Leah Sutherland @leahhsutherlandd on Instagram and Leah Sutherland on LinkedIn. 

To email Lizness School with your own voice memos/questions/thoughts/suggestions for Liz or Leah, use ⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]

The Distinguished Careers Institute is a unique program for late career people. Fellows are graduate students at Stanford University, able to take classes in any area. ⁠⁠⁠⁠Complete information here.⁠⁠⁠⁠

Email the podcast ⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected] ⁠

See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Today Liz and Leah refresh the big themes of Season 2 and refire their specific goals for the Spring Quarter of Lizness School. Time to FINISH STRONG. Plus, another call-out for listeners who want to share their own Side Quests on the podcast.

Email us at [email protected]. Send Voice Memos if you can!

Today we discuss two big themes and the podcast guests who helped us develop them. Relisten to the episodes linked below.

Refirement: Excavating your heart and mind for goals, desires, wishes, and then setting clear benchmarks as you work toward those goals, desires, wishes. REFIREMENT works for anyone coming out of a transition who needs to get fired up about your life.

• Julie Dolan
• Lee Weinstein
• Katie Connor
• John Evans
• Kira Dales
• Gretchen Rubin

Intergenerational exchange: Learning and sharing across generational lines

• Roberta Katz
• Jim Chi
• Phil Pizzo
• Lian Dolan

Sponsor:

THANK YOU to our podcast sponsor Stanford Federal Credit Union. 

To use their $625 New Member offer, go to sfcu.org/lizness

Special Bonus instead of Homework: A link to Leah's astrologer Chani.

If you are new to Lizness School, we suggest you listen to Season 1 to hear all about Liz's year as a Stanford Fellow. Everything from Neuroscience and Chinese History to Pickleball! Plus a great community experience with her fellow DCI Fellows.

Season 2 is about how she puts her lessons to work in the wild with the help of her millennial mentor Leah Sutherland.

To listen to Liz +. Leah's recap of Lizness School Season 1, go to our FINALE here.

For more on Liz Dolan, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠

For more on Liz's work in podcasting, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠Satellite Sisters⁠⁠⁠⁠

Follow Lizness School on all podcasting platforms including ⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify.⁠⁠⁠⁠

On Instagram, follow the show at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/liznessschool/⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow Liz at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/satellitesisterliz/⁠⁠⁠⁠.

Follow Producer and Millennial Mentor Leah Sutherland @leahhsutherlandd on Instagram and Leah Sutherland on LinkedIn. 

To email Lizness School with your own voice memos/questions/thoughts/suggestions for Liz or Leah, use ⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]

The Distinguished Careers Institute is a unique program for late career people. Fellows are graduate students at Stanford University, able to take classes in any area. ⁠⁠⁠⁠Complete information here.⁠⁠⁠⁠

Email the podcast ⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected] ⁠

See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

On today's episode, Lee Weinstein talks to Liz and Leah about how to think about creating an Intentional Life Plan. It starts with some digging. Ask yourself the big questions. Get yourself some craft paper + sticky notes. Go! See more on the process in Lee + Melinda's Workbook here. Look at a Life Plan here. More on Lee here.

Also on this week's episode, we put out a LIZNESS SCHOOL CASTING CALL.

Lizness School is looking for listeners who are working on a SIDE QUEST.

We want to talk to you about it. It can be anything that is engaging you - creative project, community effort, long term plan, one-off adventure. Solo or group. You name it. What is your quest?

Tell us about it! Email us at [email protected] or DM us on Instagram @liznessschool. Voice Memos encouraged! .

Sponsor:

Welcome to our new sponsor Stanford Federal Credit Union. 

To use their $625 New Member offer, go to sfcu.org/lizness

HOMEWORK: 

Step One: Uncover Your Life Wishes!

Have a conversation about some of Lee's preliminary questions to kick off your own Intentional Life Planning.

Lee also recommends you check out Bruce Feiler's book Life Is In The Transitions: Mastering Change At Any Age.

If you are new to Lizness School, we suggest you listen to Season 1 to hear all about Liz's year as a Stanford Fellow. Everything from Neuroscience and Chinese History to Pickleball! Plus a great community experience with her fellow DCI Fellows.

Season 2 is about how she puts her lessons to work in the wild with the help of her millennial mentor Leah Sutherland.

To listen to Liz +. Leah's recap of Lizness School Season 1, go to our FINALE here.

For more on Liz Dolan, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠

For more on Liz's work in podcasting, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠Satellite Sisters⁠⁠⁠⁠

Follow Lizness School on all podcasting platforms including ⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify.⁠⁠⁠⁠

On Instagram, follow the show at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/liznessschool/⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow Liz at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/satellitesisterliz/⁠⁠⁠⁠.

Follow Producer and Millennial Mentor Leah Sutherland @leahhsutherlandd on Instagram and Leah Sutherland on LinkedIn. 

To email Lizness School with your own voice memos/questions/thoughts/suggestions for Liz or Leah, use ⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]

The Distinguished Careers Institute is a unique program for late career people. Fellows are graduate students at Stanford University, able to take classes in any area. ⁠⁠⁠⁠Complete information here.⁠⁠⁠⁠

Email the podcast ⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected] ⁠

See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Jim Chi is President of Oregon Sports Angels. This week, two of the company founders that he advises are on Shark Tank. So exciting for these two college seniors with a patent in materials science! Jim can't share the result yet (we had to bleep put him out at one point) but Tanvi and Madhav sent a great audio message describing the behind-the-scenes vibe at the Shark Tank taping. Congratulations to Tanvi Gadamsetti and Madhav Aggarwal of BRCE. More here on LinkedIn. More here on BRCE Shop. WATCH SHARK TANK March 4, 10PM ET on ABC.

On the episode, Jim talks about how after years as a leader in Product Management and Global Sourcing, he had not intended to focus on advising/mentoring/investing in new founders. Liz Dolan is also a founding member of Oregon Sports Angels and shares her perspective on advising young founders. Oregon Sports Angels is the only angel investing organization in the US devoted exclusively to sports.

For HOMEWORK, Jim recommends Edge: Turning Adversity into Advantage by Laura Huang.

Sponsor:

Welcome to our new sponsor Stanford Federal Credit Union. 

To use their $625 New Member offer, go to sfcu.org/lizness

If you are new to Lizness School, we suggest you listen to Season 1 to hear all about Liz's year as a Stanford Fellow. Everything from Neuroscience and Chinese History to Pickleball! Plus a great community experience with her fellow DCI Fellows.

Season 2 is about how she puts her lessons to work in the wild with the help of her millennial mentor Leah Sutherland.

To listen to Liz +. Leah's recap of Lizness School Season 1, go to our FINALE here.

For more on Liz Dolan, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠

For more on Liz's work in podcasting, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠Satellite Sisters⁠⁠⁠⁠

Follow Lizness School on all podcasting platforms including ⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify.⁠⁠⁠⁠

On Instagram, follow the show at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/liznessschool/⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow Liz at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/satellitesisterliz/⁠⁠⁠⁠.

Follow Producer and Millennial Mentor Leah Sutherland @leahhsutherlandd on Instagram and Leah Sutherland on LinkedIn. 

To email Lizness School with your own voice memos/questions/thoughts/suggestions for Liz or Leah, use ⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]

The Distinguished Careers Institute is a unique program for late career people. Fellows are graduate students at Stanford University, able to take classes in any area. ⁠⁠⁠⁠Complete information here.⁠⁠⁠⁠

Email the podcast ⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected] ⁠

See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Today's guest is Lian Dolan, Liz's youngest sister who went through a major life stage change on New Year's Eve. She became a mother-in-law for the first time! She also hosted the wedding at her home, which gave her a chance to try out all of the "how to throw a wedding" tips she learned researching her latest novel, Abigail and Alexa Save the Wedding , a USA Today Bestseller. How did a real life wedding and transition to her first MIL gig compare to her fictional version? Listen and find out! Lian also shares tips today for how to start writing fiction for listeners who want get started.

Abigail and Alexa Save The Wedding comes out in paperback in June. Lian’s the author of six bestselling novels, including The Sweeney Sisters, Helen of Pasadena and Elizabeth the First Wife, and Lost and Found in Paris. Her novel, The Marriage Sabbatical, was a USA Today Bestseller and a People Magazine Pick. For more than two decades, she hosted and produced Satellite Sisters, a top-rated podcast for women that she created with her four real sisters including Lizness School's Liz. Lian also has a Substack newsletter called Pep Talk that you can subscribe to here.

Sponsor:

Welcome to our new sponsor Stanford Federal Credit Union. 

To use their $620 New Member offer, go to sfcu.org/lizness

If you are new to Lizness School, we suggest you listen to Season 1 to hear all about Liz's year as a Stanford Fellow. Everything from Neuroscience and Chinese History to Pickleball! Plus a great community experience with her fellow DCI Fellows.

Season 2 is about how she puts her lessons to work in the wild with the help of her millennial mentor Leah Sutherland.

To listen to Liz +. Leah's recap of Lizness School Season 1, go to our FINALE here.

For more on Liz Dolan, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠LinkedIn⁠⁠⁠⁠

For more on Liz's work in podcasting, go to ⁠⁠⁠⁠Satellite Sisters⁠⁠⁠⁠

Follow Lizness School on all podcasting platforms including ⁠⁠⁠⁠Apple Podcasts⁠⁠⁠⁠ and ⁠⁠⁠⁠Spotify.⁠⁠⁠⁠

On Instagram, follow the show at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/liznessschool/⁠⁠⁠⁠ and follow Liz at ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/satellitesisterliz/⁠⁠⁠⁠.

Follow Producer and Millennial Mentor Leah Sutherland @leahhsutherlandd on Instagram and Leah Sutherland on LinkedIn. 

To email Lizness School with your own voice memos/questions/thoughts/suggestions for Liz or Leah, use ⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]

The Distinguished Careers Institute is a unique program for late career people. Fellows are graduate students at Stanford University, able to take classes in any area. ⁠⁠⁠⁠Complete information here.⁠⁠⁠⁠

Email the podcast ⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected] ⁠

See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.