Mamamia Out Loud

Does having an affair make you a bad employee? Asking for a friend. Meet the CEO who fired two employees when she found out they were cheating on their spouses. She says if you can't be trusted at home, you can't be trusted at work. Is she right?

Plus, everyone's talking about the Epstein/Trump emails again and we want Amelia to answer the question: What's all this about Bill Clinton, or maybe a horse? 

And, it's only a matter of time before one of your friends starts gushing to you about their new love interest and you find out... they're not human. Please step into the world of AI 'companions', where Clare Stephens is worried that we'll lose sight of our humanity and Holly's wondering if they could take a load off. 

Also, what time do you have dinner? And, what Justin Trudeau's ex has to say (and sing) about his new relationship with Katy Perry. 

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CREDITS:

Hosts: Amelia Lester, Clare Stephens & Holly Wainwright

Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine

Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock

Audio Producer: Leah Porges

Video Producer: Josh Green

Junior Content Producer: Tessa Kotowicz

What To Listen To Next: 

• Listen to our latest episode: Squirting, Dawn Culture & The Most Motivating Word
• Listen: Letters To Juliet & 'The One' Question Everyone Is Asking
• Listen: The 'Australia Effect' & Meghan and Harry's Curious Party Edit
• Listen: A Very Bad Decision & An Imploding Friendship Group
• Listen: Kim Kardashian's Zero-Star Strategy
• Listen: The Great Influencer Exodus & The Sex We Never Talk About
• Listen: Every Single Thing We Have In Our Handbags
• Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts

Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.

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What to read: 

• "Chatfishing" is the new texting hack getting people more dates. There's just one problem.
• It was the 'affair' that broke the internet. Nobody saw Astronomer's next move coming.
• Katy Perry and Justin Trudeau just hard-launched their relationship.
• Document linking famous associates of sex offender Jeffery Epstein revealed.
• The death of the family dinner table.

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Mamamia ran an article about "women who squirt" and the comment section lost its mind. So, why are men so invested? And... do we all have to learn how to do it?  

Also, you're getting up earlier and there's a term for it. 'Dawn Culture' is the reason Australian beaches are packed at 6am. So why the rush, everyone? 

And, how many weeks have you got left? Why a motivational tip Em stumbled across on her doom-scrolling freaked her out and made Holly almost order some extraordinarily confronting home decor. 

Plus, recommendations and Michelle Obama's uncompromising rule about who gets to give parenting advice. 

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Recommendations

Em recommends this Salmon bites recipe from Recipe Tin Eats.  

Jessie is recommending something her family did at her grandfather's wake; a shared mic last word celebration, where everybody can take the time to share stories and celebrate the life that was lived. 

Holly recommends Down Cemetery Road on Apple TV + 

The episode of MID Holly references with Kemi Nekvapil can be found here. 

What To Listen To Next: 

• Listen to our latest episode: Letters To Juliet & 'The One' Question Everyone Is Asking
• Listen: The 'Australia Effect' & Meghan and Harry's Curious Party Edit
• Listen: A Very Bad Decision & An Imploding Friendship Group
• Listen: Kim Kardashian's Zero-Star Strategy
• Listen: The Great Influencer Exodus & The Sex We Never Talk About
• Listen: Every Single Thing We Have In Our Handbags
• Listen: 'Smellmaxxing' & The New Place We Apparently Stink
• Listen: Uh Oh, Harry & Meghan. The Fallout From Andrew’s Banishment
• Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts

Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.

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What to read: 

• 'I'm a woman who squirts during sex. We need to talk about it.'
• 'Squirting is not wee.' 10 common myths about women and sex you need to stop believing.
• The 5 micro-habits you didn’t know were sabotaging your mornings (and how to fix them).
• Michelle Obama's daughters 'tested limits' as teens. She feared life in the White House messed them up.

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Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected]

Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message.

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Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud

CREDITS:

Hosts: Emily Vernem, Jessie Stephens & Holly Wainwright

Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine

Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock

Audio Producer: Leah Porges

Video Producer: Julian Rosario

Junior Content Producer: Tessa Kotowicz

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It's sales season, and come on, you know you should be click-frenzying the Black Friday out of Cyber Monday.... It's exhausting, but also - is Christmas shopping dead? 

Plus, What is a 'Grief Vampire' and why are so many Australians flocking to see one at his packed-out theatre tour? Jessie, Holly and Amelia are talking, mediums, and exploitation.

And: She Was Ready to Have Her 15th Child. Then Came the Felony Charges.' - That's the title of an article in the New York Times that's started a conversation about how old is too old to become a parent? The mother in question is 65, and fighting to regain custody of her infant twins. 

Plus: The royal tour we almost missed, Harry and Meghan's birthday party ghosting and is there such a thing as 'the Australia effect'? 

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What To Listen To Next: 

• Listen to our latest episode: A Very Bad Decision & An Imploding Friendship Group
• Listen: Kim Kardashian's Zero-Star Strategy
• Listen: The Great Influencer Exodus & The Sex We Never Talk About
• Listen: Every Single Thing We Have In Our Handbags
• Listen: 'Smellmaxxing' & The New Place We Apparently Stink
• Listen: Uh Oh, Harry & Meghan. The Fallout From Andrew’s Banishment
• Listen: This Is Just The Beginning Of Andrew’s Humiliation
• Listen: The New Love Language & A Fitness Dating Test
• Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts

Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.

Watch Mamamia Out Loud:

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What to read: 

• Meghan and Harry left the royal family for their kids. This is Archie and Lilibet's life now.
• Princess Anne is officially the hardest working royal, but her story rarely gets told.
• 'I saw a psychic medium to connect with lost loved ones. What happened 2 days later shook me.'
• 'I asked a psychic for her 2025 predictions, and what she said floored me.'
• 'Like Robert De Niro, my dad is an older dad. Here's what I want you to know.'

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Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected]

Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message.

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After revealing she failed the bar exam, Kim Kardashian's new legal drama All's Fair has also been panned by critics as the worst TV show to ever exist. So, when you’re one of the most successful women in the world, what does it feel like to fail? And do we all need to embrace the humour in our own ‘flop’ eras?

And, the New York Times asked a very simple question: Did women ruin the workplace? The Internet had a lot of thoughts, and we’re here to dissect them.

Plus, can you be friends with someone who has a very different political view to you? For many young people, the answer is increasingly no. And, with celebrities like Jennifer Lawrence choosing to keep their politics to themselves, we unpack whether revealing your political leaning is becoming a no-go zone.

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What To Listen To Next: 

• Listen to our latest episode: The Great Influencer Exodus & The Sex We Never Talk About
• Listen: Every Single Thing We Have In Our Handbags
• Listen: 'Smellmaxxing' & The New Place We Apparently Stink
• Listen: Uh Oh, Harry & Meghan. The Fallout From Andrew’s Banishment
• Listen: This Is Just The Beginning Of Andrew’s Humiliation
• Listen: The New Love Language & A Fitness Dating Test
• Listen: Mia, Nobody Wants This & A Robust Debrief
• Listen: Everything We Refuse To Spend Money On
• Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts

Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.

Watch Mamamia Out Loud:

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What to read: 

• 'The worst pain imaginable.' Why women are recording their IUD insertions.
• Kim Kardashian's show is truly terrible, but the problem is much bigger than her.
• 'The Keeper Test' is the newest way to tell if your workplace values you.
• The conversation about women's health we're still not having.

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How do you tell your teenage influencer that their lucrative side-hustle is about to become illegal? On today's show Holly, Jessie and Em discuss the Aussie family of Youtubers who've decided to leave the country to beat the looming social media ban. 

Also, in this age of full disclosure, why is there one kind of sex that we absolutely do not talk about? And is that silence a mark of respect, or a doing disservice to long-term relationships?

Plus, what is a Compliment Hour and why do I need a Rage Ritual? Em is sharing some trending life hacks for all of us.  

And Jessie has an update about her twins. Were her instincts spot on, or did she (and our tarot card reader) get some stuff wrong? 

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Recommendations

Em is all about Chad Powers on Disney +.

Jessie recommends The Elements by John Boyne. 

Holly recommends a playlist for writing or focus. Creative Writing No Words by Katie Beth Bylerley and Music for writing, study flow and focus by Zoe Foster Blake, both are on Spotify. 

Join the Mamamia Out Loud Summer Book Club where we'll be reading All Fours by Miranda July.

What To Listen To Next: 

• Listen to our latest episode: Every Single Thing We Have In Our Handbags
• Listen: 'Smellmaxxing' & The New Place We Apparently Stink
• Listen: Uh Oh, Harry & Meghan. The Fallout From Andrew’s Banishment
• Listen: This Is Just The Beginning Of Andrew’s Humiliation
• Listen: The New Love Language & A Fitness Dating Test
• Listen: Mia, Nobody Wants This & A Robust Debrief
• Listen: Everything We Refuse To Spend Money On
• Listen: An Unevenly Open Marriage & ‘Likeable’ Kristen Bell
• Listen: Other People’s Marriages & Your New 'Shobby'
• Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts

Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.

Watch Mamamia Out Loud:

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What to read: 

• 'Social media has given our family so many opportunities. Australia's ban could take it all away.'
• What the new social media ban actually means for your kids.
• Not sure if your teen should be on YouTube? A surprising number of experts are against its banning.
• HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: Nothing cures creative block like discovering your husband's secret sex lair.
• The real reason long-term couples stop having sex, and it's probably not what you think.
• Every single photo from #RichTok queen Becca Bloom's Lake Como wedding.

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Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected]

Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message.

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CREDITS:

Hosts: Emily Vernem, Jessie Stephens & Holly Wainwright

Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine

Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock

Audio Producer: Leah Porges

Video Producer: Josh Green

Junior Content Producer: Tessa Kotowicz

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So there's a young, handsome man who's suddenly all over our feeds. Some people say he's going to save America. Others say he's just a very good example of how charisma is the only thing that matters in a politician for the digital age. All we want to know about Zohran Mamdani is: What does he want from us? 

Also, Reese Witherspoon says the reason we're so bad at dating these days is because we're not watching rom-coms any more. Jessie, Amelia and Holly unpack some of the helpful dating tips they've got from rom-coms and ask: Were we really better at talking to each other in the Sweet Home Alabama era? 

And, 'smellmaxxing' and its unknowable limits. Now that your average 14-year-old boy has his own 'fragrance wardrobe' and we've all very much accepted that we stink, it was only a matter of time until there was a deodorant for everywhere, including 'down there'. But... do any of us remember what a human smells like any more? 

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What To Listen To Next: 

• Listen to our latest episode: Uh Oh, Harry & Meghan. The Fallout From Andrew’s Banishment
• Listen: This Is Just The Beginning Of Andrew’s Humiliation
• Listen: The New Love Language & A Fitness Dating Test
• Listen: Mia, Nobody Wants This & A Robust Debrief
• Listen: Everything We Refuse To Spend Money On
• Listen: An Unevenly Open Marriage & ‘Likeable’ Kristen Bell
• Listen: Other People’s Marriages & Your New 'Shobby'
• Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts

Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.

Watch Mamamia Out Loud:

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What to read: 

• A heist at the Louvre. Missing jewels. And a getaway straight out of a film.
• There's a formula for charisma. With two things you can own any room.
• 'Nobody wants to have fun anymore.' The decline of the mid-budget rom-com.
• Reese Witherspoon and Jennifer Aniston have taken the old-school movie star approach to launching new boyfriends.

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Mamamia studios are styled with furniture from Fenton and Fenton 

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Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message.

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Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

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At an innovation awards night — the kind where billionaires clap themselves wearing sustainably sourced tuxedos — one pop superstar cut through the self-congratulation with a single line: “If you’re a billionaire, why are you a billionaire? No hate, but, yeah, give your money away, shorties.”  The crowd laughed, sort of. The notable billionaire in the room? Not so much. We discuss.

Meanwhile, the politics of a pair of untethered breasts: why Sydney Sweeney's new take on the naked dress has everyone confused, divided, and debating what empowerment looks like in 2025. Gotta say: We were MESMERISED.

And, is it just plain embarrassing to admit to having a boyfriend now? The most viral essay of the week says YES — but why?

Plus, the royal formerly known as “Prince” Andrew is only Andrew now. In what’s being called 'the greatest crisis the royal family has faced in 100 years', the King has banished his brother after the noise around Andrew's behaviour finally became too loud for even the insulated royals to ignore. So what now? Will it silence critics and accusers, or just open the floodgates? Fortunately, Royal Correspondent Holly Wainwright is here to explain. 

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What To Listen To Next: 

• Listen to our latest episode: The New Love Language & A Fitness Dating Test
• Listen: Mia, Nobody Wants This & A Robust Debrief
• Listen: Everything We Refuse To Spend Money On
• Listen: An Unevenly Open Marriage & ‘Likeable’ Kristen Bell
• Listen: Other People’s Marriages & Your New 'Shobby'
• Listen: The Precise Etiquette Of A 'Grudget'
• Listen: Kim K's Bush & An Office Politics Dilemma
• Listen: A 'Furious' King & The Rise Of The Barbie Waist
• Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts

Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.

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What to read: 

• The one question everyone's asking about Andrew.
• Only Andrew, just Sarah and a teenage 'nobody' who rewrote royal history.
• The real reason why we're obsessed with Sydney Sweeney's boobs.
• Nothing cures creative block like discovering your husband's secret sex lair.
• Katy Perry and Justin Trudeau just hard-launched their relationship.

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Mamamia studios are styled with furniture from Fenton and Fenton 

GET IN TOUCH:

Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected]

Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message.

Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.

Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation and the Jerrinja land of the Wandi Wandian People. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

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Hey Outlouders! For this week's Sunday Special, we're dropping an exclusive episode of our sister podcast Well into your feed, featuring Australia's golden girl, Tammy Hembrow. Tune in for her first-ever detailed public discussion about her melanoma diagnosis...

When you build your brand on the sun-kissed Gold Coast lifestyle, in some ways, the sun is your business partner. For global icon and fitness entrepreneur Tammy Hembrow, spending her life at the beach without ever wearing sunscreen was the norm. She thought she “never burned” and was convinced she was “immune” to the dangers of the sun.  

At 28, that all changed. A tiny, harmless-looking freckle on the back of her leg led to a shocking melanoma diagnosis.

In this raw and honest interview, Tammy Hembrow sits down with Claire Murphy and shares her story of the skin cancer diagnosis that blindsided her. She reveals how she cancelled her skin check appointment "about five times" before her assistant finally made her go, the shock of learning the freckle was melanoma, and the surprising reality of the surgery that left a large "permanent reminder" on her leg.

Tammy opens up about the "rebellious" teenage attitude that made her ignore her dad's advice, and her new perspective on tanning, and the message she’s desperate to share with the millions of young people who follow her.

This is a powerful wake-up call about the real, and often hidden, dangers of Australia's sun-loving culture.

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If you want to hear more, follow Well in your podcast app — new episodes drop EVERY THURSDAY. Just search Well, tap '+ follow', and you’re set.

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All your health information is in the Well Hub. 

If you've been putting off a skin check, this is your sign to book it. For more information on sun safety, visit the Cancer Council.

We understand that conversations about cancer can be difficult, whether you're navigating your own diagnosis, supporting a loved one, or remembering someone you've lost.

If today's episode has brought up difficult feelings, please reach out. The Cancer Council offers a confidential support line staffed by specialist nurses, and you can call them on 13 11 20.

For more specific information on the topics we discussed today, organisations like Australian Gynaecological Cancer Foundation, Ovarian Cancer Australia and the Australian Cervical Cancer Foundation provide incredible support and resources for patients and their families.

And if you just need to talk to someone immediately, you can always call Lifeline on 13 11 14. Remember to be kind to yourself, and please don't hesitate to seek support.

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Sign up to the Well Newsletter to receive your weekly dose of trusted health expertise without the medical jargon.

Ask a question of our experts or share your story, feedback, or dilemma - you can send it anonymously here, email here or leave us a voice note here.

Ask The Doc: Ask us a question in The Waiting Room.

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CREDITS

Hosts: Claire Murphy and Dr Mariam

Guest: Professor Susan Davis 

Senior Producers: Claire Murphy and Sally Best

Audio Producer: Scott Stronach

Video Producer: Julian Rosario

Social Producer: Elly Moore

Information discussed in Well. is for education purposes only and is not intended to provide professional medical advice. Listeners should seek their own medical advice, specific to their circumstances, from their treating doctor or health care professional.

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

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It's news-free Friday so unpacking Buckingham Palace's announcement about Prince Andrew (let's make that just plain Andrew Mountbatten Windsor, shall we?) will have to wait until Monday when rest assured we'll be going in deep. In the meantime...

Our Em’s had enough of men playing it cool. On today's episode of MMOL, she’s responding to the Outlouders feedback on her dating life and officially campaigning for less nonchalance and more chalant male energy — attentive, enthusiastic, maybe even a little whisper this keen.

And things that have tickled our fancy. We’re rawdogging boredom, dissecting the rise of the Hybrid Rockstar (Hyrox, anyone?), and spotlighting the Halloween comment that officially finished us all off. 💀

Plus, in reccos: An unexpected podcast episode that's being touted as the interview of the year, to a mind-blowing strategy that's perfect for the Nup-resistant among us, to a film that Em insists we all have to watch, it's that good. Yep, your weekend listening and viewing is sorted. 

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Recommendations

Em recommends A House Of Dynamite on Netflix.

Jessie recommends The Diary of a CEO podcast interview with Louis Tomlinson.

Holly recommends Amantha Imber's podcast How I Work with special guest... Holly Wainwright. 

What To Listen To Next: 

• Listen to our latest episode: Mia, Nobody Wants This & A Robust Debrief
• Listen: Everything We Refuse To Spend Money On
• Listen: An Unevenly Open Marriage & ‘Likeable’ Kristen Bell
• Listen: Other People’s Marriages & Your New 'Shobby'
• Listen: The Precise Etiquette Of A 'Grudget'
• Listen: Kim K's Bush & An Office Politics Dilemma
• Listen: A 'Furious' King & The Rise Of The Barbie Waist
• Listen: The Friends Vs Family Trap & We're All Rapunzel Now
• Listen: What Did You Do Yesterday?
• Listen to our ep on Jane Goodall: A Royal Vanishing Act & Does Fashion Hate Women?
• Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts

Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.

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What to read: 

• Holly Out Loud: The free weekly newsletter on all things MMOL from Holly Wainwright. 
• From exes to heartbreak: All the Easter eggs in Sabrina Carpenter's new album.
• Please stop dating men who don't actually like you.
• 40 women on the specific moment they knew they were going to break up with their partner.
• Prepping for Halloween? Here are 10 easy options under $30.
• Lily Allen was alone in a London hotel room when David Harbour called. Nothing would be the same.

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Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected]

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CREDITS:

Hosts: Em Vernem, Jessie Stephens & Holly Wainwright

Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine

Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock

Audio Producer: Leah Porges

Video Producer: Josh Green

Junior Content Producer: Tessa Kotowicz

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

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Are celebrities oversharing about their splits? Nicole Kidman's keeping it classic - sending us subliminal messages through clothes (see: revenge dress). Lily Allen is being extremely 2025 by putting her Notes-app confessions to music. But why are we being kept so clearly in the loop of some very private business? Welcome to a slightly unhinged conspiracy theory about the strategic advantage of spilling divorce tea and yes, it involves real estate. 

Also, is cutting out friendships the ultimate life hack? Some of the trad wives certainly think so, saying they've given birth to and married the only friends they need.  

And there are some Australian workplaces having some particularly awkward meetings today - the schools that set the wrong subject for the HSC exam, and... the BOM. What colour is drizzle, anyway?

Plus, some scurrilous gossip about a chaotic new couple. 

On today's show, Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright and Amelia Lester unpack it all. 

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What To Listen To Next: 

• Listen to our latest episode: Everything We Refuse To Spend Money On
• Listen: An Unevenly Open Marriage & ‘Likeable’ Kristen Bell
• Listen: Other People’s Marriages & Your New 'Shobby'
• Listen: The Precise Etiquette Of A 'Grudget'
• Listen: Kim K's Bush & An Office Politics Dilemma
• Listen: A 'Furious' King & The Rise Of The Barbie Waist
• Listen: The Friends Vs Family Trap & We're All Rapunzel Now
• Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts

Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.

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What to read: 

• Lily Allen was alone in a London hotel room when David Harbour called. Nothing would be the same.
• The moment Lily Allen's new album dropped the hunt began for 'Madeline'. She's now shared her story.
• Nicole Kidman’s new breakup bangs are telling a much bigger story.
• HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: The details that make Nicole and Keith's split kind of about us.
• "She wanted to look a million dollars." The story behind Princess Diana's revenge dress.
• 32 kilometres from home, Hannah Neeleman started the 'Ballerina Farm effect'. And locals hate it.

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