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The royal reunion we've all been following might not happen after all.

Prince Harry and Meghan were reportedly planning to bring the kids to the UK for the first time in four years, but now the trip is in doubt after Harry's request for police protection was denied. Is this the latest chapter in the royal rift, or a completely reasonable decision from parents trying to protect their children?

Plus, Alex Cooper has finally responded to the allegations surrounding her media company, Unwell. It raises a familiar question: when the controversy centres on a man, why does the woman so often end up carrying the public fallout?

And Mia Freedman has some hard-earned advice for Alex about surviving life as a woman running a media company.

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• Listen to our latest episode: Miranda Kerr’s Money Tree & Karl’s ‘Martyr Strategy’
• Listen: The Toddler Mum's Sex Story Everyone's Yelling About
• Listen: Unpacked: Rivals, The Rompiest Show On Television
• Listen: EMERGENCY MEETING: Karl, Tommy & The Sack
• Listen: 'Australia Aged Me 13 Years' & Did Pauline Hanson Say That?
• Listen: Two Bachelorettes, Zero Chill: Taylor’s Mystery Party
• Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts 

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What to read: 

• Check out the Mamamia Out Loud Newsletter: Are you a William Hawk or a Harry Dove?
• It's easy to dismiss her, but you should know about the cult of Alex Cooper.
• Meghan Markle has only just arrived in Australia, but the most damning story about her has already been written.
• 'I spent a morning with Prince Harry. It wasn't at all like I expected.'
• HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: Why Fergie is the most feared royal.

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Getting yourself “fired” from your mainstream media gig can be the kiss of life for a free-speech warrior. Just ask Karl Stefonovic. 

Taylor Swift is actually getting married this weekend and the very important Amelia Lester knows all the very important details.

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It’s tax time, and King Charles felt like he was missing out on all the fun so he decided to release his tax return. So, can he claim crowns?  

Have you ever had to holiday in a ‘food free’ house (ie: one without breakfast, snacks or seconds) and wondered if it’s okay to order in? Clare has. 

And, Miranda Kerr and her billionaire husband Evan Spiegel have waved a magic money wand and changed thousands of lives. Why? 

While we’re at it, don’t miss last week’s Emergency meeting about Karl, with Mia bringing expert commentary. And read Holly’s column about the whole deal, here. 

If you want to read Holly’s writing before anyone else, subscribe to the Mamamia Out Loud newsletter (for free) and get the stories in your inbox the minute she finishes them.   

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• Listen to No Filter: Jessica Rowe On The Brutal Public Humiliation That Changed Her Forever
• Listen: The Toddler Mum's Sex Story Everyone's Yelling About
• Listen: Unpacked: Rivals, The Rompiest Show On Television
• Listen: EMERGENCY MEETING: Karl, Tommy & The Sack
• Listen: 'Australia Aged Me 13 Years' & Did Pauline Hanson Say That?
• Listen: Two Bachelorettes, Zero Chill: Taylor’s Mystery Party
• Listen: A Very Cranky William & A Very Wicked Woman
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What to read: 

• HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: The truth about Karl, Tommy and 'The Sack'.
• 'Taylor Swift was my ultimate single-girl companion. Now she belongs to someone else.'
• 'I waited hours to see King Charles in Sydney. It wasn't at all what I expected.'

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The essay is called Motherf***er. And the accompanying photos are of one of the world’s most beautiful women, breastfeeding a doll. What in the rage bait is all this? 

An Outlouder’s dilemma: Sportsday makes your daughter cry. Does she still have to go?

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Plus, won’t something think of the plants? Garden centres are a hot-bed of criminal activity. 

The  letterbox to nowhere that might just help with loss and…

This week’s recommendations:

Em recommends America's Sweethearts: Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders Season 3.

Clare recommends Maternal Instinct the one part documentary on Netflix. 

Holly recommends the Dreamfarm Garject Garlic Crusher.

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• Listen: Unpacked: Rivals, The Rompiest Show On Television
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• Listen: 'Australia Aged Me 13 Years' & Did Pauline Hanson Say That?
• Listen: Two Bachelorettes, Zero Chill: Taylor’s Mystery Party
• Listen: A Very Cranky William & A Very Wicked Woman
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What to read: 

• Em Rata thinks the world wants her to be relatable. She couldn't be more wrong.
• Every Dallas Cowboys Cheerleader shares the same signature look. Except Australian Faith Ward.
• Kids sport in Australia is broken.
• Taylor arrived at hospital with a newborn baby. The blood she was covered in wasn't her own.

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CREDITS:

Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens & Emily Vernem

Acting Group Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock

Executive Producer: Grace Rouvray

Video Producer: Josh Green

Associate Producer: Tessa Kotowicz

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Friends, did you wake up to the news that Today host Karl Stefanovic had been sacked from Nine? SAME. 
And was our group chat pinging? OF COURSE.

Which can only mean one thing, Outlouders. An emergency meeting just had to happen.

In today's extra episode, Mia Freedman and Holly Wainwright unpack the absolute chaos of Karl’s contract ending, the playbook of the 'canceled' media mogul, and whether there's room for this many loud, middle-aged men in podcasting.

On the agenda, we:

• Look at why that interview on Karl's podcast with Far Right UK activist Tommy Robinson was the final straw for Nine.

• Ask if a 'canceled' host can still win a Logie?

• Examine the rise of the Independent Bro-Empire. 

What do you think, Outlouders? Has Karl played this perfectly? Or is this a spectacular own goal? Let us know your thoughts in the Outlouders Facebook Group.

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• Listen: Two Bachelorettes, Zero Chill: Taylor’s Mystery Party
• Listen: A Very Cranky William & A Very Wicked Woman
• Listen: 'I Can’t Cook' Is The New 'I Don’t Want Kids'
• Listen: ‘My Hardest Night As A Mum’: Jessie's 3-Month Check-In
• Listen: So The Wedding Has Happened & Kyle Sandilands' Big D*ck Deal
• Listen: The Ariana Grande Panic
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• Karl Stefanovic has interviewed thousands of people. His latest may cost him his job.

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So now we know where Prince Harry and Meghan are staying on their trip to the UK next week and it’s… emotional. 

Also, is Pauline Hanson Australia’s Trump, and did her muddy message on Paid Parental Leave make the answer clearer?

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There’s a tech-bro who says Australia aged him 13 years and honestly, same. 

Plus, why Madonna’s life is just too expensive for a bio-pic. 

And, some MAFS stars have travelled to Bali for a cosmetic procedure that could possibly be replaced by… buying a belt.

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• Listen: A Very Cranky William & A Very Wicked Woman
• Listen: 'I Can’t Cook' Is The New 'I Don’t Want Kids'
• Listen: ‘My Hardest Night As A Mum’: Jessie's 3-Month Check-In
• Listen: So The Wedding Has Happened & Kyle Sandilands' Big D*ck Deal
• Listen: The Ariana Grande Panic
• Listen: Um, WTF Is Going On With Gwyneth & A Very Beckham Weekend
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What to read: 

• Prince Harry said he misses the UK but can't take his children there. Buckingham Palace responded.
• The part of Pauline Hanson's speech everyone's talking about.
• MAFS stars are flying to Bali to have their ribs 'remodelled.' We have questions.
• Do this today to live longer.

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Outlouders, enjoy this free taster of Mia Freedman, Holly Wainwright & Emily Vernem on our subscriber-only episode.  You can listen to the full conversation: Two Bachelorettes, Zero Chill: Taylor’s Mystery Party

There were two bachelorette parties over the weekend. One in Rhode Island One in Vegas. So, how is it possible that Taylor Swift and her ex Matt Healy are somehow tracking to get married on the exact same weekend? We discuss.

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Plus, the Logie nominations are out and Mia Freedman has her producer hat on again, with her show Strife starring Asher Keddie bagging multiple nominations.  So why will she be watching the whole thing from her couch?

And, with Prince Harry and Meghan heading back to the UK, the House of Windsor is officially divided into two distinct camps: the hawks and the doves. Holly breaks down the latest royal ding-dong for us.

What To Listen To Next: 

• Listen to our latest episode: Two Bachelorettes, Zero Chill: Taylor’s Mystery Party
• Listen: A Very Cranky William & A Very Wicked Woman
• Listen: 'I Can’t Cook' Is The New 'I Don’t Want Kids'
• Listen: ‘My Hardest Night As A Mum’: Jessie's 3-Month Check-In
• Listen: So The Wedding Has Happened & Kyle Sandilands' Big D*ck Deal
• Listen: The Ariana Grande Panic
• Listen: Um, WTF Is Going On With Gwyneth & A Very Beckham Weekend
• Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts 

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What to read: 

• From Jacob Elordi to Robert Irwin: All the 2026 Logies nominations in one place.
• 'Taylor Swift was my ultimate single-girl companion. Now she belongs to someone else.'
• 'I spent a morning with Prince Harry. It wasn't at all like I expected.'

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Things have changed between Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban, and it’s all over their social media feeds.

Plus, why is the future new-PM of Britain standing between a fake fox and a man in a bin on his acceptance stage? Welcome to the shit-skirt musical chairs of UK politics, which might just offer some insights for our own.

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And, Olivia Wilde has given an interview about the year that saw her hated for dating Harry Styles, served custody papers live on a stage, and at the centre of a ding-dong about being a bad boss. Here’s why it was her turn, she says, to be the wicked witch. 

Oh, and Prince William is super mad with his Dad about Harry’s upcoming visit to Britain. 

And… Input Before Output - the first-thing-in-the-morning life advice that might change everything.

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• Listen: ‘My Hardest Night As A Mum’: Jessie's 3-Month Check-In
• Listen: So The Wedding Has Happened & Kyle Sandilands' Big D*ck Deal
• Listen: The Ariana Grande Panic
• Listen: Um, WTF Is Going On With Gwyneth & A Very Beckham Weekend
• Listen: The Celebrity Bathroom Debate We Can't Agree On
• Listen: THAT Sex Scene in Off Campus. Oh.
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• 'Everyone's saying the same thing about Nicole and Keith's divorce. They're wrong.'
• Nicole Kidman has just spoken about her divorce from Keith Urban. One detail stood out.
• Olivia Wilde was served custody papers on stage. Then Tom Cruise said something she'll never forget.
• Olivia Wilde, a fish-eye camera and the glaring problem we can't ignore.

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The best celebrity profile we’ve read lately is with a famous actress who doesn’t exist. And yes, she’s a bit of a b*tch. 

How much money has Em spent on takeaway in the past year? 

And, send us the text messages from your friends that need analysing, it’s our new version of Book Club. 

Oh, and what your school house colour says about you.  

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Plus, Recommendations

Holly breaks all the rules with an impassioned plea for you to watch Rivals Season 2, specifically Episode 6 even though she’s been banging on about it for months. 

Em recommends Airbrush concealer by Hourglass.

Mia has been reading Whistler by Ann Patchett, her latest novel about a woman who has three fathers. 

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• Listen: The Ariana Grande Panic
• Listen: Um, WTF Is Going On With Gwyneth & A Very Beckham Weekend
• Listen: The Celebrity Bathroom Debate We Can't Agree On
• Listen: THAT Sex Scene in Off Campus. Oh.
• Listen: The Knicks, The ‘Witch’ & Can You Say No To Madonna?
• Listen: 3 (Celebrity) Weddings And A Guest Drama
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What to read: 

• 'I can guess your entire personality from your school "house colour".'
• HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: Why every grown-up woman is cheering for this cheating couple.
• One of the sauciest book to television adaptations of the year is now on Disney+.

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CREDITS:

Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens & Emily Vernem

Acting Group Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock

Executive Producer: Grace Rouvray

Video Producer: Josh Green

Associate Producer: Tessa Kotowicz

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.

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The biggest media court case of the year has settled and a famous man has walked away with an extraordinary deal. Mia’s here, so we asked her to business-decode it. 

If you could have a trad wife at home, would you? Matchmakers are being asked for a very specific type of partner.

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There’s a politician being called the ‘new Obama’ and a) you need to know about him and b) he’s more than a little bit Australian. 

And, Tom Holland has admitted he and Zendaya are indeed married. Why do some celebrities keep these things secret, others share their pictures and some get married at (checks notes) Madison Square Garden? 

Oh, and the Brooklyn Beckham update packed with Easter eggs.

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• Listen: THAT Sex Scene in Off Campus. Oh.
• Listen: The Knicks, The ‘Witch’ & Can You Say No To Madonna?
• Listen: 3 (Celebrity) Weddings And A Guest Drama
• Listen: Spoiled Pig Syndrome & Our List Of Things That Are Just Not Working
• Listen: Sorry Clare. There’s No Better Time To NOT Have A Baby
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• Your 5-minute news explainer to get you up to date today.
• 'I need to talk to the person in charge of Taylor Swift's seating chart.'
• Kyle Sandilands was suing for $85 million. This is how much he walked away with.
• 'My life was the parallel of Ballerina Farm. This is why I'll never be a 'tradwife' again.'

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Outlouders, enjoy this free taster of Mia Freedman, Emily Vernem & Amelia Lester on our subscribers only episode.  You can listen to the full conversation: The Ariana Grande Panic 

Ariana Grande is on a world tour. She is also on every phone screen in your vicinity right now, her undeniably-tiny body analysed from every angle. 'We must do something' shouts one part of the Internet. 'Stop talking about women’s bodies!' Shouts the other.

And over here, Mia, Holly and Em sit down to unpack the panic around Ariana Grande.

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If this conversation has brought up anything for you, please reach out to The Butterfly Foundation for support.

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• Listen: The Celebrity Bathroom Debate We Can't Agree On
• Listen: THAT Sex Scene in Off Campus. Oh.
• Listen: The Knicks, The ‘Witch’ & Can You Say No To Madonna?
• Listen: 3 (Celebrity) Weddings And A Guest Drama
• Listen: Spoiled Pig Syndrome & Our List Of Things That Are Just Not Working
• Listen: Sorry Clare. There’s No Better Time To NOT Have A Baby
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What to read: 

• The problematic evolution of Ariana Grande.
• 'It's a strange thing.' Everything Ariana Grande has said about her voice changing.
• Diet culture is back. But there's one side effect nobody is talking about.
• MIA FREEDMAN: Famous women are starving in front of us. We cool with that?

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