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Are you a firm owner who needs some tips on creating a better business? In this episode of the Maximum Lawyer Podcast, Tyson and guests Brooke Lively and Pam Meissner, CEO & CFO of  Cathcap, discuss the unique challenges of law firm ownership, focusing on financial management, leadership, and team dynamics. They explore how different practice types affect cash flow, the importance of aligning leadership style with firm culture, and strategies for managing employee performance. 

Brooke, Pam and Tyson talk about the key characteristics needed for a successful firm. For Brooke, successful firms involve leaders who invest in themselves and elevate their staff. It also involves trusting your team to make good decisions and letting go of the reins so you as a leader can focus on other things. Pam talks about the importance of leaders having the right metrics and tools in place to trust their teams.

Certain leadership styles can affect team culture. Leaders that run their firm like a democracy and everyone has a say will often lose control. This can lead to a culture when there is no direction and staff are not pulling their weight. If a leader leads with an iron fist or is more likely to not listen to anyone, the culture can be toxic. It is important to know what kind of leader you want to be and implement practices so your firm and staff can flourish.

Listen in to learn more!

• 02:13 Why the $2 Million Benchmark?
• 06:19 Traits of Highly Successful Law Firms
• 19:59 Identifying and Managing Toxic Employees
• 33:16 Warning Signs of Owner Overload
• 41:27 Mindset Shifts for Law Firm Owners 

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Brooke Lively

Founder & CEO, Cathcap

Brooke Lively is the founder and CEO of Cathcap, where she helps entrepreneurial law firm owners and business leaders build profitable, sustainable companies. After earning her MBA in corporate finance and investments, she helped her family’s firm hit seven figures in just eighteen months—sparking a career dedicated to turning gut-driven decisions into data-backed growth strategies. Since 2013, Brooke and her team have worked with hundreds of firms, bringing clarity, profitability, and stability. An EOS Implementer® and international best-selling author of Exit on Top and the From Panic to Profit series, Brooke is a sought-after speaker featured in Forbes, U.S. News & World Report, and on CNBC.

Pam Meissner

COO & CFO, Cathcap

Pam Meissner, COO and CFO of Cathcap, is a seasoned financial strategist with decades of experience as a CFO, COO, and CEO across industries. She specializes in turning complex financials into clear strategies that drive growth and profitability, helping companies scale to billion-dollar valuations. Known for her global perspective, adaptability, and problem-solving skills, Pam draws on a career that blends business leadership with personal resilience. Beyond finance, she’s an award-winning baker, avid reader, and self-taught fashion designer. Pam’s leadership is rooted in clarity, creativity, and a commitment to helping business owners achieve both financial success and balance.