In this episode, Steve Fretzin and James Rodgers discuss:

• Evolution and confusion surrounding DEI in the workplace
• Human nature’s role in shaping workplace dynamics
• AI and automation as the next diversity challenge
• Managing generational differences in the workforce

Key Takeaways:

• DEI has repeatedly risen and fallen as activists and organizations redefine it, creating confusion over its true purpose.
• The next diversity challenge extends beyond human differences to integrating AI, robotics, and automation into the workforce.
• Instead of hiring based on identity markers like race or gender, leaders should prioritize missing perspectives that drive innovation and problem-solving.
• Effectively managing generational differences requires direct engagement with individuals rather than relying on broad assumptions about their work ethics or expectations.

"Forty years ago, the new reality was that there was going to be a new mix of human beings in the workplace. Now, the new reality is that there is going to be a mix of humans and non-human entities in the workplace." —  James Rodgers

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Episode References: 

Behind The Human with Marc Champagne: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/behind-the-human-with-marc-champagne/id1342231432

About James Rodgers: Dr. James O. Rodgers, known as “The Diversity Coach,” has spent 35+ years pioneering diversity management as a core enterprise discipline. Recognized as the #1 thought leader in the field, his books Managing Differently and Diversity Training That Generates Real Change are used in MBA programs and corporate initiatives worldwide. By blending sound management principles with practical diversity strategies, he emphasizes simplicity, pragmatism, and sustainability. He also coaches C-suite executives and directs the Executive Academy of ITSMF, preparing leaders of color for a changing world.

Connect with James Rodgers:  

Website: http://jamesorodgers.com/

Email: [email protected]

Book: https://www.amazon.com/stores/James-O.-Rodgers/author/B001K7Y9WC

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamesorodgers/ & https://www.linkedin.com/company/51680091/admin/dashboard/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/james.rodgers.14661261/ & https://www.facebook.com/epiphanythebooks/

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In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Saja Raoof discuss:

• Introversion in professional networking
• Building a legal practice as an introvert
• Managing energy and making meaningful connections
• The role of systems in business development

Key Takeaways:

• Taking intentional breaks during networking events, such as stepping away for alone time, is a crucial strategy for introverts to manage their energy and remain engaged without feeling overwhelmed.
• Introverts can make networking conversations more comfortable and effective by asking open-ended questions, such as ‘How did you get into your career?,’ which encourages others to share while allowing them to listen rather than dominate the discussion.
• Careful preparation before networking events—such as identifying key people to meet, reaching out in advance, and setting clear goals like making three meaningful connections—helps introverts feel more in control and makes the experience less daunting.
• Although introverts may shy away from the spotlight, embracing opportunities to speak, give testimonials, or lead discussions allows them to establish credibility and expand their network without relying on small talk or forced social interactions.

"I am so outspoken about being an introvert exactly to send a message to the people who are a little too close, or just, you know, it's okay to embrace and it's okay to talk about." —  Saja Raoof

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Episode References: 

Quiet by Susan Cain: https://www.amazon.com/Quiet-Power-Introverts-World-Talking/dp/0307352153

Networking for People Who Hate Networking by Devora Zack: https://www.amazon.com/Networking-People-Who-Hate-Underconnected/dp/1605095222

About Saja Raoof: Saja Raoof is a San Francisco-based business immigration attorney. Though an introvert, she owes much of her professional success to networking. Saja will share tips on how introverts can not only survive but thrive at networking, and how they can leverage their strengths to build meaningful business relationships.

Connect with Saja Raoof:  

Website: https://www.sar.law/

Email: [email protected]

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sajaraoof/

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Twitter: @stevefretzin

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In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Jay McAllister discuss:

• The evolving role of AI in legal practice
• Leveraging AI for business development and marketing
• Ethical and risk considerations when using AI in law
• The future of legal technology and the rise of agentic AI

Key Takeaways:

• Many law firms have shifted from traditional keyword-based legal research to AI-powered tools that analyze case law and provide curated, context-aware results, significantly reducing time spent on research.
• Insurance carriers and other clients are leveraging data analytics and AI to challenge the hours law firms bill, forcing firms to adopt more efficient AI-driven workflows.
• A Stanford AI ethics professor submitted a legal brief with fabricated citations generated by AI, leading the judge to reject it outright and issue a warning that lawyers must verify AI-generated content before submitting it to court.
• Future AI systems will not only respond to queries but proactively complete legal tasks by recognizing key case milestones, drafting motions automatically, and sending them for attorney review.

"There were jobs that were lost, but ultimately, I don't think of it as a job that was lost. These jobs were transitioned to perform more useful, more useful activities." —  Jay McAllister

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Episode References: 

The Game with Alex Hormozi: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-game-with-alex-hormozi/id1254720112

$100M Offers by Alex Hormozi: https://www.amazon.com/100M-Offers-People-Stupid-Saying/dp/1737475731

About Jay McAllister: Jay McAllister is the CEO of Paragon Tech. Driven by an unquenchable thirst for applied learning and innovation, Jay helps lawyers get the most out of their technology. In other words, they go from low-tech and busy to high-tech and productive.

Connect with Jay McAllister:  

Website: http://paragontechit.com/

Email: [email protected]

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaymcallisterit/

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Twitter: @stevefretzin

Instagram: @fretzinsteve

Facebook: Fretzin, Inc.

Website: Fretzin.com

Email: [email protected]

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In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Ken Hardison discuss:

• Growing a law firm that runs independently and becomes a sellable asset
• Building relationships and giving value first
• Using structured processes and key metrics to drive predictable growth
• Mentorship, collaboration, and shared expertise

Key Takeaways:

• A law firm can only be sold for real value if it operates independently, maintains a steady case pipeline, and tracks performance through key metrics, ensuring buyers see it as a sustainable business rather than a personal brand.
• Lawyers who struggle with referrals often fail to ask, lack the right approach, or don't invest time in relationship-building, but those who prioritize value, reciprocity, and consistent engagement create a steady flow of high-quality referrals.
• Most lawyers lose business due to poor follow-up, but staying top-of-mind with referral sources through personalized thank-yous, occasional gifts, and regular check-ins ensures they continue sending cases your way.
• True financial success in law comes not from chasing profits but from focusing on genuinely helping people, because when clients and colleagues trust that you care, they are far more likely to send you business.

"You get what you want out of life by helping enough other people get what they want out of life.." —  Ken Hardison

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Episode References: 

Mastering the Rockefeller Habits by Verne Harnish: https://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Rockefeller-Habits-22nd-Anniversary-dp-B0CXCDYCHN/dp/B0CXCDYCHN/

About Ken Hardison: Kenneth L. Hardison is a lawyer, author, and founder of PILMMA, the Personal Injury Lawyers Marketing & Management Association. Known as the "Millionaire Maker," Ken has grown and sold two multi-million-dollar law firms and now helps lawyers across the U.S. grow and scale their law firms to build the practice of their dreams.

Connect with Ken Hardison:  

Website: https://www.pilmma.org/

Email: [email protected]

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kenhardison/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/PILMMA

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/PILMMA

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pilmma/

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Twitter: @stevefretzin

Instagram: @fretzinsteve

Facebook: Fretzin, Inc.

Website: Fretzin.com

Email: [email protected]

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In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Chuck Andrews discuss:

• Challenges in making law firms and businesses scalable and saleable
• Strategic and mental preparation for business transitions
• Understanding client needs as a driver for business growth
• Overcoming personal barriers to achieve professional success

Key Takeaways:

• Many lawyers fail to create saleable practices because they don’t view their firms as scalable assets, instead focusing solely on leveraging personal skills.
• Emotional and psychological unpreparedness for life after selling a business often causes transitions to fail, making mental readiness as crucial as financial planning.
• Business owners can significantly improve scalability and growth by conducting client surveys to understand why customers choose their services.
• Identifying and managing personal saboteurs, such as the need to please or overachieve, is essential for breaking patterns that hinder both business and personal progress.

"The biggest challenge an attorney has is recognizing that they can build their practice into a saleable practice." —  Chuck Andrews

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Episode References: 

What Happened to You? by Oprah Winfrey and Bruce D. Perry: https://www.amazon.com/What-Happened-You-Understanding-Resilience/dp/1250223180

Wisdom at Work by Chip Conley: https://www.amazon.com/Wisdom-Work-Making-Modern-Elder/dp/0525572902

Positive Intelligence by Shirzad Chamine: https://www.amazon.com/Positive-Intelligence-Individuals-Achieve-Potential/dp/1608322785

The Fifth Discipline by Peter M. Senge: https://www.amazon.com/Fifth-Discipline-Practice-Learning-Organization/dp/0385517254

About Chuck Andrews: Chuck combines expertise in technology, M&A advisory, and executive coaching, integrating AI-driven solutions into his firm's services. Clients gain from tools like AI-based Value Drivers, a Positive Intelligence mental health app, and leadership development rooted in Vistage Peer Advisory Boards.

Connect with Chuck Andrews:  

Website: https://ceo15.us/

Email: [email protected]

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ceo15-cca/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/chuckCEO15/ & https://www.facebook.com/CAndrewsCEO

Connect with Steve Fretzin:

LinkedIn: Steve Fretzin

Twitter: @stevefretzin

Instagram: @fretzinsteve

Facebook: Fretzin, Inc.

Website: Fretzin.com

Email: [email protected]

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In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Sam Mollaei discuss:

• Strategies for scaling and automating a law firm
• Effective time management and focus for professionals
• The role of social media and marketing in client generation
• Utilizing AI and technology for efficiency in legal practice

Key Takeaways:

• To manage time effectively, create a strict schedule using tools like Google Calendar and focus exclusively on high-value activities during concentrated work periods.
• Social media ads on platforms like Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok are significantly more effective than Google Ads for client acquisition in 2025 due to saturation in the latter.
• A six-point formula for scaling a law firm includes focusing on a single niche, targeting high-value clients ($3,500+), expanding geographically, ensuring healthy cash flow, adjusting fee structures, and prioritizing continuous self-development.
• AI integration, such as automating lead qualification, document collection, and drafting, has become essential for running scalable and efficient law firms.

"You have to create your own rules; if not, other people will make rules for you." —  Sam Mollaei

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Episode References: 

The 4-Hour Workweek by Timothy Ferriss: https://www.amazon.com/4-Hour-Workweek-Escape-Live-Anywhere/dp/0307465357

About Sam Mollaei: Sam Mollaei is a visionary legal disruptor, attorney, and Founder of My Legal Academy, where he helps lawyers scale and automate their law firms using cutting-edge marketing, automation, and AI tools.

As the owner of 5 thriving law firms, Sam has helped over 1,260 lawyers grow their practices while reclaiming their time and improving their quality of life. Known for his innovative approach to disrupting the legal industry, Sam is passionate about helping lawyers work smarter, scale faster, and enjoy life. With a mission to empower legal professionals, Sam combines proven strategies with forward-thinking solutions to transform the way law is practiced.

Connect with Sam Mollaei:  

Website: https://mylegalacademy.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sammollaei/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/sam.mollaei/

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Twitter: @stevefretzin

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In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Michael Cohen discuss:

• Strategies for building and maintaining a successful law practice
• The role of leadership and personal branding in legal careers
• Overcoming challenges and finding fulfillment in the legal profession
• The importance of authenticity, advocacy, and adaptability in professional growth

Key Takeaways:

• When hiring, be financially prepared, follow a "slow to hire, quick to fire" approach, and seek candidates whose goals align with long-term retention.
• Building a career aligned with passion may require sacrifices, such as taking non-traditional opportunities and traveling extensively to develop expertise and a brand.
• Law firms can foster equity by diversifying associates’ work assignments through structured work tracking systems to prevent pigeonholing.
• Writing about niche cases or personal interests in law not only builds expertise but also enhances your visibility and credibility as a thought leader.

"Each and every one of us is dealing with stuff that nobody else knows about… if we can just understand that fundamental truth and be kind along the way, this whole thing gets an awful lot easier to deal with." —  Michael Cohen

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Episode References: 

Let Them Lead: Unexpected Lessons in Leadership from America's Worst High School Hockey Team by John Bacon: https://www.amazon.com/Let-Them-Lead-Unexpected-Leadership/dp/0358533260

About Michael Cohen: Michael Cohen is a Partner in Duane Morris’ Employment, Labor, Immigration, and Benefits Practice Group, focusing on employment law training and counseling in Philadelphia, where he conducts over 200 trainings annually. Inspired by his mother, who fought and won a landmark Supreme Court case for working women after being fired for her pregnancy with Michael, he has a passion for education and challenges. Michael is also a devoted husband, father, travel softball coach, and avid supporter of Philadelphia and University of Michigan sports.

Connect with Michael Cohen:  

Website: http://www.duanemorris.com/attorneys/michaelscohen

Email: [email protected]

LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/michaelscohen12

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Twitter: @stevefretzin

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Email: [email protected]

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In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Erika Steinberg discuss:

• The value of having a focused marketing plan for lawyers and firms
• Strategies for retaining and growing client relationships
• Building a personal brand using LinkedIn
• Benefits of fractional marketing for law firms

Key Takeaways:

• A written marketing plan provides focus, direction, and measurable goals, allowing lawyers and firms to avoid chasing "shiny objects" and instead focus on impactful projects.
• Lawyers often neglect past and existing clients as a source of business due to discomfort, yet these relationships often present the easiest opportunities for growth.
• Marketing activities should align with an individual's comfort level and schedule—focusing on actions they will actually execute.
• Firms undergoing mergers or lateral hires risk losing opportunities if they do not clearly communicate how the changes benefit clients and integrate new team members effectively.

"The marketing activities that are best are the ones that you’re going to do, the ones that fit your comfort level and your schedule." —  Erika Steinberg

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Episode References: 

Differently Podcast by Carla Reeves: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/differently/id1546761001

About Erika Steinberg: Erika Steinberg, founder of CMO2Go, has been working with law firms to maximize their marketing for more than 30 years. CMO2Go provides senior-level fractional marketing support to midsize law firms around the United States, supporting firms as they tackle their urgent and important marketing needs.

Connect with Erika Steinberg:  

Website: https://www.cmo2go.co/

Email: [email protected]

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/erikasteinberg/ & https://www.linkedin.com/company/cmo2go-inc

Connect with Steve Fretzin:

LinkedIn: Steve Fretzin

Twitter: @stevefretzin

Instagram: @fretzinsteve

Facebook: Fretzin, Inc.

Website: Fretzin.com

Email: [email protected]

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In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Sarah Allen discuss:

• The importance of consistency and discipline in achieving business success
• Leveraging video marketing to build credibility and save time
• Understanding and overcoming common barriers to adopting video marketing
• The value of clarity and focus in business strategy and client engagement

Key Takeaways:

• Starting with short videos that address frequently asked questions allows lawyers to engage clients effectively while also reducing the time spent repeatedly explaining the same concepts.
• Tailoring video content to a specific audience builds trust, credibility, and professional authority, making it more effective than chasing viral success or trying to appeal to a broad, unfocused audience.
• Creating high-quality videos does not require expensive equipment, as a simple setup with a smartphone, webcam, and external microphone can produce professional and engaging results.
• Videos that focus on providing solutions to client problems or answering their common questions not only save time but also help establish the creator as a knowledgeable and trustworthy expert in their field.

"The biggest benefit of video for attorneys is you get your time back... it's literally duplicating yourself." —  Sarah Allen

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Episode References: 

The No B.S. Small Business Book by Casey Graham: https://www.amazon.com/No-B-S-Small-Business-Book-ebook/dp/B09N9TZTW3

About Sarah Allen: Sarah Allen’s career bridges the worlds of big business and entrepreneurship, with leadership roles managing $100M+ divisions at Old Navy, Banana Republic, and eBay. Her time at eBay sparked a passion for empowering entrepreneurs, leading her to channel her corporate marketing expertise into helping small businesses succeed. Through her signature 5-step video marketing framework, Sarah has driven over $1M in revenue for her clients by helping them attract and convert new customers with ease.

Connect with Sarah Allen:  

Website: http://www.sarahallenconsulting.com/

Email: [email protected]

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-ann-allen

Connect with Steve Fretzin:

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Twitter: @stevefretzin

Instagram: @fretzinsteve

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Email: [email protected]

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In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Tim Semelroth discuss:

• Scaling a law firm effectively while maintaining quality and culture
• The importance of consistent client engagement to foster trust and loyalty
• Leveraging specialization to establish authority and attract niche cases
• Using systems and processes to improve law firm management and branding

Key Takeaways:

• Building and maintaining a professional network early in one's career avoids missed opportunities for referrals and growth.
• Specializing in a niche like truck accident cases and gaining certifications boosts credibility and competitive edge.
• Consistent outreach, like birthday cards, newsletters, and holiday greetings, keeps clients and referral sources engaged.
• Incentivizing handwritten thank-you notes fosters appreciation, strengthening relationships and driving loyalty and referrals.

"The reality is that most people are getting fewer than five birthday cards now, and so if you can be one of those people, they're never going to forget you, no matter how big the billboard is that the 800-pound gorilla buys." —  Tim Semelroth

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Episode References: 

The Checklist Manifesto by Atul Gawande: https://www.amazon.com/Checklist-Manifesto-How-Things-Right/dp/0312430000

About Tim Semelroth: Tim Semelroth, a personal injury attorney with 25+ years of experience, has helped hundreds of Iowans affected by injury or death due to negligence. He is Iowa's first board-certified trucking accident attorney by the NBTA and among the first 50 in the U.S. to earn this title. A former president of the Iowa chapter of the American Board of Trial Advocates and the Iowa Association for Justice, Tim also serves on the Iowa State Committee of the American College of Trial Lawyers. He is a faculty at the Trial Lawyers College and a Board of Regents member for the Academy of Truck Accident Attorneys.

Connect with Tim Semelroth:  

Website: https://fightingforfairness.com/

Email: [email protected]

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/timsemelroth/ & https://www.linkedin.com/company/rsh-legal/

Twitter: https://x.com/rshlegal

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/RSHLegal

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/rshlegal/

Connect with Steve Fretzin:

LinkedIn: Steve Fretzin

Twitter: @stevefretzin

Instagram: @fretzinsteve

Facebook: Fretzin, Inc.

Website: Fretzin.com

Email: [email protected]

Book: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!

YouTube: Steve Fretzin

Call Steve directly at 847-602-6911

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