In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Jennifer Gardner discuss:

• The impact of emotional intelligence on personal and professional success
• Strategies for communication and influence in legal practice
• Addressing challenges in business development and client management
• Lawyers’ responsibility in upholding societal values and the rule of law

Key Takeaways:

• Lawyers can enhance their decision-making and relationship-building skills by focusing on emotional intelligence, which includes empathy and understanding clients' emotions.
• Influence, distinct from power or convincing, is most effective when used to align others' decisions with their own goals while fostering collaboration.
• Prospective client meetings are more successful when the focus is on listening and empathizing rather than pitching or hard-selling services.
• Recognizing every interaction as an opportunity to influence positively can help lawyers build trust, improve client outcomes, and reinforce their roles as guardians of the rule of law.

"Every communication is an opportunity to move further and further toward that end—using influence in a really positive way to achieve great results for our clients and to enforce the rule of law." —  Jennifer Gardner

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Episode References: 

Lex Fridman Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/lex-fridman-podcast/id1434243584

About Jennifer Gardner: Jennifer B. Gardner is a Los Angeles-based trial lawyer and persuasive communications educator. She specializes in strategic, empathic, and persuasive communication, focusing on high performers in various settings. When she is not lawyering, she educates high-performing leaders on how to grow their executive presence and confidence using persuasive communication strategies through her program, “The Art of Influence and the Power Lab,” as well as for various continuing legal education providers. She also consults with lawyers on strategic messaging for their cases and helps them enhance their courtroom presence.

Connect with Jennifer Gardner:  

Website: https://jenniferbgardner.com/ & https://jgardnerassociates.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jenniferbgardner/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamjenniferbgardner

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Twitter: @stevefretzin

Instagram: @fretzinsteve

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Website: Fretzin.com

Email: [email protected]

Book: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!

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In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Sonya Palmer discuss:

• Keeping connections alive after meetings
• Growing teams and operations effectively
• Empowering women in law firms
• Using content and AI to grow practices

Key Takeaways:

• To avoid losing momentum after meetings, always establish a next step, whether scheduling a follow-up or agreeing on mutual actions that maintain the connection.
• A robust hiring process, including video interviews and task-based evaluations, ensures new hires align with company values and can meet performance standards.
• Women advancing in leadership roles bring invaluable diversity to law firms, fostering client trust and improving business outcomes by reflecting varied perspectives.
• Combining personal content strengths with tools like ChatGPT allows lawyers to efficiently generate scalable marketing materials that create lasting client engagement.

"Because in by being themselves and by being authentic, [women] have value....they don't have to pretend to be like the men. They have their own unique value, just like men do." —  Sonya Palmer

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Episode References: 

Personal Injury Mastermind Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/personal-injury-mastermind/id1501754955

Radical Candor: Be a Kick-Ass Boss Without Losing Your Humanity by Kim Scott: https://www.amazon.com/Radical-Candor-Kick-Ass-Without-Humanity/dp/1250103509

About Sonya Palmer: Sonya Palmer, the voice behind LawHer, is a seasoned digital marketing expert and the SVP of Operations at Rankings.io, an Inc. 5000 SEO company for lawyers. Working closely with female attorneys at various career stages—many now firm owners—Sonya identified a critical gap: women were often trying to build their legal businesses alone, without visibility into successful models. Through LawHer, she aims to provide women in law the tools, insights, and community support needed to redefine success on their own terms.

Connect with Sonya Palmer:  

Website: https://rankings.io/

Email: [email protected]

Show: LawHer Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/lawher/id1599413853

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sonyapalmer/

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Twitter: @stevefretzin

Instagram: @fretzinsteve

Facebook: Fretzin, Inc.

Website: Fretzin.com

Email: [email protected]

Book: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!

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In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Jared Correia discuss:

• The evolving role of AI and technology in legal practices
• Common obstacles lawyers face with adopting and implementing tech solutions
• Strategies for improving law firm efficiency and productivity
• Trends in business development and billing models

Key Takeaways:

• Lawyers hesitate to adopt AI due to risk aversion and limited tech savviness, but starting with free tools like ChatGPT can ease the transition.
• Flat fee billing models align with AI efficiencies, as ethical guidelines discourage charging for time saved through automation.
• AI tools like Microsoft Copilot and Google Duet AI reduce time on repetitive tasks, allowing lawyers to focus on strategic work.
• Large firms often beta-test AI in specific practice groups, while smaller firms use off-the-shelf or custom solutions.

"I have found that most attorneys...it's a talent acquisition problem these days, not a work acquisition problem. They need to find more lawyers to do the work—another way to look at it is, maybe we need more technology to do the work and deploy that." —  Jared Correia

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Episode References: 

The Rest Is History Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-rest-is-history/id1537788786

About Jared Correia: Jared D. Correia, Esq., a former practicing lawyer, has been a business management consultant for law firms since 2008, working with thousands of firms globally, from solo practices to Big Law. An internationally recognized legal technology expert, he is the founder and CEO of Red Cave Law Firm Consulting, serving lawyers directly and through bar associations. Correia has hosted The Legal Toolkit podcast since 2009 and The NonEventcast podcast for Above the Law. He also contributes to the NonEvent legal technology hub, presents for legal organizations, and writes for law firm business management publications.

Connect with Jared Correia:  

Website: https://www.redcavelegal.com/

Email: [email protected]

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaredcorreia/ & https://www.linkedin.com/company/red-cave-legal/

Twitter: https://x.com/jaredcorreia & https://x.com/RedCaveLegal

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Twitter: @stevefretzin

Instagram: @fretzinsteve

Facebook: Fretzin, Inc.

Website: Fretzin.com

Email: [email protected]

Book: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!

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In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Stuart Baum discuss:

• Developing positive habits for personal and professional success
• Overcoming bad habits that hinder productivity and growth
• The importance of accountability and structured systems in habit formation
• Strategies for effective business development and client engagement

Key Takeaways:

• Writing down commitments and follow-ups immediately after meetings, whether by texting yourself or using a note app, ensures accountability and helps avoid forgetting key tasks or names from conversations.
• Allocating two 30-minute blocks each week exclusively for business development activities, such as following up on leads or setting appointments, creates consistency and avoids the excuse of being too busy to prioritize growth.
• Using storytelling in conversations, focusing on concise, memorable anecdotes about solving client problems, engages potential clients better than overwhelming them with a long list of services.
• Establishing accountability partnerships, where colleagues or peers meet regularly to share progress and co-develop opportunities, adds structure to habit-building and prevents the temptation to delay important tasks.

"Not all habits work for all people, but some of it will work for you—pick the things that work for you and do it." —  Stuart Baum

Got a challenge growing your law practice? Email me at [email protected] with your toughest question, and I'll answer it live on the show—anonymously, just using your first name!

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Episode References: 

If Books Could Kill Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/if-books-could-kill/id1651876897

About Stuart Baum: Stuart Baum is a Sales, Marketing & Customer Success consultant and coach with proven experience helping businesses develop and implement go-to-market (GTM) and client expansion/saturation processes to increase lead generation and sales, grow client profitability, and improve the overall sales and marketing culture. He sits on a number of corporate boards, serves as the board chair of a not-for-profit, and also writes children's stories, which, along with writing activities and games, can be found at StuartStories.com.

Connect with Stuart Baum:  

Website: https://largerpond.com/

Email: [email protected]

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stuartbaum

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Twitter: @stevefretzin

Instagram: @fretzinsteve

Facebook: Fretzin, Inc.

Website: Fretzin.com

Email: [email protected]

Book: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!

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In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Bryan Figueroa discuss:

• Strategies for scaling law firms effectively
• The importance of delegation and effective team-building
• Leveraging technology and automation in legal practice management
• The evolving role of outsourcing and virtual staffing in modern law firms

Key Takeaways:

• Solopreneurs should prioritize identifying their strengths and weaknesses to effectively delegate non-revenue generating tasks at a lower cost than their billable rate.
• Mid-sized law firms often struggle with innovation and can benefit from modernizing their technology stack and overcoming attachment to outdated practices.
• A central source of truth, such as a practice management suite, ensures all stakeholders have real-time access to essential data, streamlining firm operations.
• Over-hiring without sufficient revenue reserves can lead to financial strain during slow seasons, emphasizing the importance of planning and inventorying resources before scaling.

"With the right standards of operations, the right training in place, and the right vision, every single one of the team members that is hired—if due diligence is done correctly—will perform accordingly, buy into the mission, and help push it forward." —  Bryan Figueroa

Got a challenge growing your law practice? Email me at [email protected] with your toughest question, and I'll answer it live on the show—anonymously, just using your first name!

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Episode References: 

Free Lawyer Podcast by Gary Miles: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-free-lawyer/id1614507857

About Bryan Figueroa: Bryan Figueroa is a seasoned Sales and Operations leader and President of ShiftSixOS, a company providing full-time support staff for law firms and legal tech companies at a fraction of traditional hiring costs. Previously, he worked at a leading legal tech company, gaining valuable insights into industry challenges and building lasting client relationships. Bryan’s leadership emphasizes personalized support and a consultative approach to help clients scale their businesses and achieve success in a rapidly evolving market.

Connect with Bryan Figueroa:  

Website: https://shiftsixos.com/

Email: [email protected]

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bryan-figueroa1024/ & https://www.linkedin.com/company/shiftsixos/

Connect with Steve Fretzin:

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Twitter: @stevefretzin

Instagram: @fretzinsteve

Facebook: Fretzin, Inc.

Website: Fretzin.com

Email: [email protected]

Book: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!

YouTube: Steve Fretzin

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In this episode, Steve Fretzin and John Kormanik discuss:

• Mastering time and prioritization for lawyers
• Transitioning from law practice to impactful coaching
• Embracing work-life blend over balance
• The value of coaching for professional growth

Key Takeaways:

• Lawyers should identify and focus on high-level tasks only they can perform, saying no to distractions and delegating effectively to reclaim control of their schedules.
• Creating space to recharge, such as leaving your phone behind during walks or taking intentional downtime, is crucial to maintaining focus and high performance.
• Begin each day with proactive work aligned with your goals, avoiding the trap of reactive email responses, which often represent others' priorities rather than your own.
• Instead of chasing an impossible balance, embrace the idea of blending professional demands and personal goals based on the current season of your life and work.

"You do hard things every day—you just don’t realize it because, by the time you're done, you’ve already done them." —  John Kormanik

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Episode References: 

The Rich Roll Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-rich-roll-podcast/id582272991

About John Kormanik: John R. Kormanik is a Professional Certified Coach, known worldwide as the lawyer who coaches lawyers. His passion for human potential, combined with his coaching and legal training, along with a successful twenty-four-year career as a law firm owner and attorney, enables him to challenge his clients to achieve more than they believe possible.

Connect with John Kormanik:  

Website: https://www.johnrkormanik.com/

Email: [email protected]

Book: Break the Law: A Story of a Reimagined Legal Career and a Reclaimed Life: https://www.breakthelawbook.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnrkormanik

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Twitter: @stevefretzin

Instagram: @fretzinsteve

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Website: Fretzin.com

Email: [email protected]

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In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Scott Simmons discuss:

• Effective time management in the legal profession
• Developing habits and accountability for consistent business development
• Building a client-focused business model in law
• Overcoming personal and systemic barriers to success in legal business development

Key Takeaways:

• Allocating just 30 minutes weekly to business development can compound into significant progress over time, enabling lawyers to take control of their career trajectory.
• Transitioning from billable hours to value-based or subscription pricing models requires not just a pricing shift but a comprehensive business model overhaul.
• Lawyers must use tools like LinkedIn and existing client relationships to secure referrals effectively; over 90% of clients are willing to refer, yet only 8% of lawyers ask for them.
• Small, incremental habit changes, such as reading a chapter a week or posting on LinkedIn weekly, are more sustainable and impactful than attempting major shifts all at once.

"What business development does is give you options, leverage, and control over your career choices. We're not taught this, and.....it's not something covered in law school." —  Scott Simmons

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Episode References: 

Atomic Habits by James Clear 

Outbound Squad Podcast

About Scott Simmons: Scott Simmons, Co-Founder & Director of Legal Balance, is a toolbox for turning lawyers into rainmakers. After a successful law career, he discovered a passion for coaching and has spent 12 years helping lawyers build careers and senior executives excel. He offers bespoke training, coaching, and leadership courses globally and created The BD Breakthrough Blueprint™, a digital course for aspiring rainmakers. Scott writes and speaks on legal business development, value-based pricing, and subscription models. A husband, father, and film lover, he often includes movie analogies like Jaws or When Harry Met Sally in his sessions.

Connect with Scott Simmons:  

Website: https://www.legalbalanceinstitute.com/

Email: [email protected]

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/scottsimmonsbdm/

Connect with Steve Fretzin:

LinkedIn: Steve Fretzin

Twitter: @stevefretzin

Instagram: @fretzinsteve

Facebook: Fretzin, Inc.

Website: Fretzin.com

Email: [email protected]

Book: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!

YouTube: Steve Fretzin

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In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Gordon Firemark discuss:

• Podcasting as a tool for branding, content creation, and growth
• Legal and ethical essentials for podcasting
• Streamlining podcast production with AI and tech
• Leveraging unique marketing strategies to enhance professional presence

Key Takeaways:

• Podcasting generates diverse discoverable content by utilizing video, audio, and transcription, which can be repurposed into clips, blog posts, or courses to expand reach.
• Preparation with detailed outlines, structured workflows, and AI tools simplifies production.
• Legal consent from guests is essential, covering recording, editing, and perpetual use, including AI-related content integrity.
• Success relies on audience-building through consistent, targeted content that establishes authority and drives client acquisition and referrals.

"Once you do [podcasting], I think it is a fantastic way of getting the word out and publishing your message on a regular basis." —  Gordon Firemark

Got a challenge growing your law practice? Email me at [email protected] with your toughest question, and I'll answer it live on the show—anonymously, just using your first name!

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Episode References: 

The Expert Edge Podcast with Colin Boyd: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/expert-edge-podcast/id1500505303

About Gordon Firemark: Gordon Firemark, widely known as "The Podcast Lawyer™," is a seasoned entertainment attorney specializing in podcasting law. With 32 years of experience, he advises podcasters and clients in theater, film, television, and digital media. A sought-after speaker and writer on legal issues affecting digital creators, Gordon has been featured in numerous podcasts, webinars, and industry events. He hosts the Entertainment Law Update podcast (since 2009) and Legit Podcast Pro, providing expert insights on podcasting law. Gordon is also the author of the Podcast, Blog & New Media Producer’s Legal Survival Guide and develops online courses for creatives, entrepreneurs, and small firm lawyers.

Connect with Gordon Firemark:  

Website: https://firemark.com

Email: [email protected]

LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/gfiremark

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/gfiremark

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/gordonfiremark/

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Twitter: @stevefretzin

Instagram: @fretzinsteve

Facebook: Fretzin, Inc.

Website: Fretzin.com

Email: [email protected]

Book: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!

YouTube: Steve Fretzin

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In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Tracy LaLonde discuss:

• Dynamics of trust in professional and client relationships
• Stress management and work-life balance strategies
• Effective delegation and communication for legal professionals
• Maintaining integrity and transparency in business

Key Takeaways:

• Trust grows through intentional, proactive communication, where even small gestures like timely responses build respect, while ignoring issues can erode trust and risk client loyalty.
• Finding personal joy amid work demands means setting boundaries (like leaving office on time) and developing discipline to prioritize non-work activities, even when emails and tasks pile up.
• Incremental delegation—starting with small tasks and expanding—builds confidence and trust, allowing the delegator to guide quality without an "all-or-nothing" approach.
• Acknowledging when personal matters affect responsiveness and communicating transparently with clients, even with a brief update, repairs trust and reassures them of quality service.

"Integrity is everything. And I define integrity as doing what you say you’re going to do when you said you were going to do it." —  Tracy LaLonde

Got a challenge growing your law practice? Email me at [email protected] with your toughest question, and I'll answer it live on the show—anonymously, just using your first name!

Thank you to our Sponsors!

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Rainmakers Roundtable: https://www.fretzin.com/lawyer-coaching-and-training/peer-advisory-groups/

Episode References: 

Why We Sleep: Unlocking the Power of Sleep and Dreams by Matthew Walker

About Tracy LaLonde: Tracy LaLonde, an engaging trainer and speaker with over 30 years of experience, is dedicated to revolutionizing engagement in law firms. She offers practical, easy-to-digest guidance backed by cutting-edge research that will make a lasting impact on lawyers and business professionals. Through Joychiever’s Hierarchy of Engagement, as well as her comprehensive courses, Tracy equips law firms with tools to boost engagement, foster trust, minimize burnout, bolster financial performance, and create a culture where people thrive. With her dynamic approach, Tracy is setting a new standard for the legal industry.

Connect with Tracy LaLonde:  

Website: https://www.joychiever.com/

Email: [email protected]

Book: Trust Me: The Insider's Guide to Being the Go-To Person at Work

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tracylalonde/

Connect with Steve Fretzin:

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Twitter: @stevefretzin

Instagram: @fretzinsteve

Facebook: Fretzin, Inc.

Website: Fretzin.com

Email: [email protected]

Book: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!

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In this episode, Steve Fretzin and Deb Feder discuss:

• Importance of client relationship management and deepening connections
• Prioritizing tasks to enhance productivity and work-life balance
• Role of social media in professional growth and networking
• Effective business development and optimizing client interactions

Key Takeaways:

• Lawyers can achieve more sustainable productivity by prioritizing just two major tasks before checking email each day, preventing inbox overwhelm from dictating their workflow.
• Strategic questioning, like asking "Tell me more" or inquiring about specific client concerns, allows lawyers to gather deeper insights that often reveal additional opportunities to add value.
• LinkedIn profile optimization—especially the "about" section and professional headline—helps professionals attract the right clients by clearly reflecting their expertise and approach.
• Lawyers should leverage informal moments and small talk in client interactions to create authentic connections, which ultimately build client loyalty and lead to new business opportunities.

"Tell me more… triggers your brain to get back in and actually actively listen, and from there you can thoughtfully respond." —  Deb Feder

Got a challenge growing your law practice? Email me at [email protected] with your toughest question, and I'll answer it live on the show—anonymously, just using your first name!

Thank you to our Sponsors!

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Rainmakers Roundtable: https://www.fretzin.com/lawyer-coaching-and-training/peer-advisory-groups/

Episode References: 

Make No Small Plans: Lessons on Thinking Big, Chasing Dreams, and Building Community

About Deb Feder: Deb Feder, CEO of Feder Development, LLC, is a business development and practice management strategist and coach for lawyers and law firms. Having practiced corporate law for 15 years, her work focuses on helping lawyers and professionals bring in consistent clients through curious, confident conversations. Deb holds a history degree from the University of Michigan and her JD/MBA from the University of Iowa. She completed her coach training and certification through New Ventures West and completed training in The Daring Way, which is based on the research of Dr. Brené Brown. She is the author of After Hello and Tell Me More.

Connect with Deb Feder:  

Website: https://debfeder.com

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bizdeb/

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Twitter: @stevefretzin

Instagram: @fretzinsteve

Facebook: Fretzin, Inc.

Website: Fretzin.com

Email: [email protected]

Book: Legal Business Development Isn't Rocket Science and more!

YouTube: Steve Fretzin

Call Steve directly at 847-602-6911

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